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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Trent England‏ @trentengland May 7
      Replying to @briantedjones

      It's just so far fetched, that kind of collusion story, and the evidence is against it.

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    2. Brian Ted Jones‏ @briantedjones May 7
      Replying to @trentengland

      It's extremely far-fetched, which makes it all the more shocking that there's so much public evidence that the Trump campaign, transition, and administration conspired with Russia to defraud the United States.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Trent England‏ @trentengland May 7
      Replying to @briantedjones

      They didn't have the Clinton Foundation to make it easy to pay for play, hence all the pathetic bumbling

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Brian Ted Jones‏ @briantedjones May 7
      Replying to @trentengland

      Have you read @emptywheel's series on the questions? This post--on Mueller's theory of conspiracy to defraud the US--is also really helpful: https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/03/28/mueller-prepares-to-reveal-the-first-cards-in-the-hack-and-leak-conspiracy/ …

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    5. Trent England‏ @trentengland May 7
      Replying to @briantedjones @emptywheel

      The writer there assumes throughout a certain story, then points out where a few facts could align with that story. It's the story you guys want to be true, I get that. But it's also preposterous for several reasons. First...

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    6. Trent England‏ @trentengland May 7
      Replying to @trentengland @briantedjones @emptywheel

      Everyone knew Manafort had Russian connections. That's why hiring him was stupid. It was especially stupid if it was part of a super-secret plot. Then he was fired. Again, chaos, not conspiracy. But...

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    7. Troll McTrollski‏ @TrollMcTrollski May 7
      Replying to @trentengland @briantedjones @emptywheel

      And, with all due respect - your "you guys want this to be true, so you stitch together your story" can very easily be used against you. What with your willingness to cherry pick facts and refuse to recognize known facts...

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
      Replying to @TrollMcTrollski @trentengland @briantedjones

      Right. Particularly since THE VERY FIRST CLAIM he made shows a misunderstanding of the public record.

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    9. Trent England‏ @trentengland May 7
      Replying to @emptywheel @TrollMcTrollski @briantedjones

      I apologise for sharing a point of view that is too hard for you to engage with. I will now leave your echo chamber. Peace.

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    10. Troll McTrollski‏ @TrollMcTrollski May 7
      Replying to @trentengland @emptywheel @briantedjones

      Here's the summary of the discussion: Known timeline: RU offers HRC's emails and other forms of help; as if by magic Trump starts saying things and making policy changes favorable to RU. Emptywheel: "looks like 'quid' and 'pro quo'". You: "you guys are delusional!" 2/2

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
      Replying to @TrollMcTrollski @trentengland @briantedjones

      A more narrow point. Rob Goldstone set up the meeting, not Veselnitskaya (and Agalorov is the one who suggested it). So my buddy Trent's fatal errors started when he focused on her, not Goldstone and Agalarov.

      3:18 PM - 7 May 2018
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        1. Trent England‏ @trentengland May 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @TrollMcTrollski @briantedjones

          That's fair. And there is a lot that is unknown/conflicting in the accounts of all this. I'm not saying they're not a bunch of shady folks, btw. I'm actually really serious that you should check out the relevant sections of the Mitrokhin Archive book.

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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
          Replying to @trentengland @TrollMcTrollski @briantedjones

          Several points about which there is no conflict. 1) Goldstone got the meeting, not Veselnitskaya. 2) He did it for the Agalarovs.

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