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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Jonathan Zittrain‏Verified account @zittrain Mar 17

      Jonathan Zittrain Retweeted Carole Cadwalladr

      This is nuts if FB’s quarrel is with the term “data breach,” and they’re intimating litigation over it. I wouldn’t call it that since it involved a second-party betrayal of trust rather than an external hack, but it’s a reasonable metaphor.https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/975007440612753408 …

      Jonathan Zittrain added,

      Carole CadwalladrVerified account @carolecadwalla
      Facebook instructed external lawyers and warned us we were making 'false and defamatory' allegations. Today they said it was not correct to call this a data breach. We are calling it a data breach. https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/975001273278894081 …
      7 replies 4 retweets 20 likes
    2. Paul-Olivier Dehaye‏ @podehaye Mar 17
      Replying to @zittrain

      Did you see @alexstamos’ initial response and then deletion of tweets?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Jonathan Zittrain‏Verified account @zittrain Mar 17
      Replying to @podehaye @alexstamos

      Yes, I did. His account of what happened certainly looked reasonable, but I’d have to review last year’s articles to see if it contradicts other reporting. Curious why he deleted them.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Paul-Olivier Dehaye‏ @podehaye Mar 17
      Replying to @zittrain @alexstamos

      It didn't contradict anything. It's a reasonable point of view if you just look at all of it from a narrow technical security point of view

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 17
      Replying to @podehaye @zittrain @alexstamos

      I think the fight over "breach" is counterproductive to the extent that 1) protection for victims of breach here suck (cf Equifax), 2) TOS violations provide more leverage via Europe.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Jonathan Zittrain‏Verified account @zittrain Mar 17
      Replying to @emptywheel @podehaye

      TOS between the quiz makers and the users? Would have to think through remedy. In US context, also thin.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 17
      Replying to @zittrain @podehaye

      No for quiz maker to sell it to third parties. Violation of UK law, right?

      1:38 PM - 17 Mar 2018
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        2. Jonathan Zittrain‏Verified account @zittrain Mar 17
          Replying to @emptywheel @podehaye

          Yeah, then not a contract claim, but a data privacy claim, with the TOS only mattering to show that it didn’t provide for consent?

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 17
          Replying to @zittrain @podehaye

          You're right. It'd be nice to see a lawsplainer of where the liabilities lie. I think Congress might be ready to absorb something like that in the very near future.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Paul-Olivier Dehaye‏ @podehaye Mar 17
          Replying to @emptywheel @zittrain

          one cannot have an informed discussion on this if the roles of Facebook Inc and Facebook Ireland are not dissociated. Cambridge Analytica and Kogan contracted with Facebook Ireland.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 17
          Replying to @podehaye @zittrain

          Meaning that it is subject to EU law, not US law?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Paul-Olivier Dehaye‏ @podehaye Mar 17
          Replying to @emptywheel @zittrain

          both! and even transatlantic instruments, that can be enforced in front of the FTC/US courts!

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Jesper Lund‏ @je5perl Mar 17
          Replying to @emptywheel @zittrain @podehaye

          Purpose limitation applies in EU. If you collect personal data for a research purpose, you cannot disclose the data to third parties that use it for targeting purposes (or do that yourself, for that matter). Targeting is clearly incompatible with original purpose (research).

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Paul-Olivier Dehaye‏ @podehaye Mar 17
          Replying to @je5perl @emptywheel @zittrain

          Cambridge Analytica claims to be doing research as well, when challenged by @profcarroll

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Jesper Lund‏ @je5perl Mar 17
          Replying to @podehaye @emptywheel @profcarroll

          As far as I understand it, the personal data obtained ("leaked") through the Facebook app for a research project was ultimately used for targeting Facebook users with political ads?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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