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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 16

    I'm going to defend Julian Assange on this one. It is *not* whataboutism to remind people that the US has awesome cybercapabilities and pre-placed sensors. As w/other kind of weapons, it's important to know whether we're talking MAD or specific vulnerability.pic.twitter.com/iZEedELBIu

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      2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 16

        In fact, some of the most celebrated RU stories have emphasized that we've got sensors ready to go, awaiting (cringe) Trump's orders.

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 16

        Moreover, most people who know fuckall about cyber escalation talk about norms as one means of reining this all in before the grid does get taken out. You can't establish norms by pretending we have done nothing to expand them, eg with StuxNet.

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      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 16

        And Assange's question is as pertinent now as questions about why [far more dubious] WannaCry attribution got done, the latter at time when Trump was ginning up war w/NK.

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      2. Dan Kervick‏ @DanMKervick Mar 16
        Replying to @emptywheel

        What's interesting to me is that until the recent focus on Russia, the story I usually heard was that the Chinese were the global grand champions of cyber-espionage.

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 16
        Replying to @DanMKervick

        We are more vulnerable to cyber attacks than either China or Russia, so both can seem like global champions to us bc it's one real weak point in our overwhelming superiority. But we also get along better w/China now than w/RU. And they're stealing IP via other means.

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      4. Dan Kervick‏ @DanMKervick Mar 16
        Replying to @emptywheel

        But in first Obama administration, the focus was all on China. Something changed around the time of Clinton's ascendancy to State & then Arab Spring. We got: Libya, attempted regime change in Syria, Sochi Olympics propaganda war, Maidan uprising.

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      5. Dan Kervick‏ @DanMKervick Mar 16
        Replying to @DanMKervick @emptywheel

        I think the HRC-Nuland wing of the Dems always opposed Obama's attempt to redirect US policy away from the neocon/post-9/11 post-1989 hegemonic agenda for Middle East transformation, Nato expansion, US capital capture of Russian government.

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      6. Dan Kervick‏ @DanMKervick Mar 16
        Replying to @DanMKervick @emptywheel

        That's why we're in this freaking mess, and its no surprise Russia fought back.

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      2. Stephen Sheehan‏ @StephenSound Mar 16
        Replying to @emptywheel

        It was "hate and fear Russia" message week.

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      3. Lyndon Olson‏ @fanoonman Mar 16
        Replying to @StephenSound @emptywheel

        Yes, and we've already had far too many of those weeks, with more of them obviously on their agenda. Objectivity is now viewed as suspicious pro-Russia bias.

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      2. James shadle‏ @JamesShadle1 Mar 16
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Russia launches military attack against Western Europe. US declines to respond because, “We’ve launched attacks too.”

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      3. Lyndon Olson‏ @fanoonman Mar 16
        Replying to @JamesShadle1 @emptywheel

        Interesting logical observation, but it doesn't address (a) confident repetition has been substituting for credible proof in the realm of anti-Russia accusations, and (b) the US *could* admit to past & present US "meddling" (& far worse) instead of mischaracterizing the scenario.

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      4. James shadle‏ @JamesShadle1 Mar 16
        Replying to @fanoonman @emptywheel

        I’ll have to look into your first premise. I thought attribution was very clear, but it can’t hurt to review. As to the second, you are unequivocally correct.

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      1. Puns N' Roses‏ @gthanku Mar 16
        Replying to @emptywheel

        is there any link to public discussions of US infiltration and/or capabilities to attack Russia's or China's infrastructure? had Obama agreed to retaliate re RU's hacking, we'd have likely seen those play out as response to RU going aft our infrastructure.

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      1. David S Pumpkins Ltd‏ @MDavid59 Mar 16
        Replying to @emptywheel

        He is deflecting and boosting paranoia, though. The truth is that our quasi govt'al system should be nationalized and standardized.

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      1. Error establishing a database connection‏ @mkawia Mar 16
        Replying to @emptywheel

        is 'whataboutism' even a thing anymore, if the USSR is gone and other superpower is comparable to the US/West ?

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