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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 6

    This, from David Kris, is a very interesting take on "law enforcement as a CI tool," but this passage makes me nauseous. https://lawfareblog.com/law-enforcement-counterintelligence-tool …pic.twitter.com/aWoSKtwksN

    10:21 AM - 6 Mar 2018
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      1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 6

        Also, Kris' piece should be read in tandem w/@adamgoldmanNYT's update on how David Vinas, who cooperated w/FBI to go after AQ starting *while* Kris was AAG, hasn't been given witness protection.https://nyti.ms/2FYzBx5 

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      2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 6
        Replying to @WeMeantWell

        Thanks. Know who else has written at length on parallel construction? Me. But thanks for telling me what me has already said.

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      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 6
        Replying to @WeMeantWell

        Sorry: I didn't click through. Toxic side effect of fights over RU.

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      2. Pete Manley‏ @DRSID1 Mar 6
        Replying to @emptywheel

        So I should be thankful I don’t understand this

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Mar 6
        Replying to @DRSID1

        Basically Kris (who wrote the book on this stuff) is saying that LE is better then intelligence for exposing what happened bc in LE it's kosher to say evidence came from one source (say, a subpoena to Facebook) when it really came from someplace else.

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      1. brachiator‏ @brachiator Mar 6
        Replying to @emptywheel

        And then you question them “outside Miranda” with rubber hoses.

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      1. Ernie Jones‏ @joneserniej Mar 6
        Replying to @emptywheel

        'Traditional' 4th amendment rules. Non-disclosure is like apple pie. Nice.

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      1. Michael Keenan‏ @CitizenMichael1 Mar 6
        Replying to @emptywheel

        It has gone on for quite some time. http://raymcgovern.com/2018/03/02/bill-binney-lets-it-all-hang-out-re-mind-blowing-corruption-at-doj-fbi-on-the-jimmy-more-show/ …

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      1. Michael Keenan‏ @CitizenMichael1 Mar 6
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        Binney calls it prejury.

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      1. Andrew Davies‏ @andrewdaviesuk Mar 6
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        Reportedly, over here in the UK, it's co common that they've just gone ahead and made it legal:https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/06/parallel_construction_lies_in_english_courts/ …

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      1. Jay Q Public‏ @JayQPublic Mar 6
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Lying to the courts is okay, if it protects government assets? I can hardly wait until we start deporting *these* non-Americans.

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