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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Feb 25
      Replying to @paulsurovell @empiricalerror and

      This one, in particular? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/dnc-hacker-leaks-trump-oppo-report-647293 …

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    2. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror Feb 25
      Replying to @paulsurovell @emptywheel @AndrewMcCarthy_

      i've already answered that question repeatedly. i won't do so again.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Feb 25
      Replying to @empiricalerror @emptywheel @AndrewMcCarthy_

      Actually you haven't. You haven't said where that document came from. Was it from the DNC? I'll help you -- Yes or No?

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    4. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror Feb 25
      Replying to @paulsurovell @emptywheel @AndrewMcCarthy_

      ǝʌɐp Retweeted

      maybe re-read your own crap before you dig deeper. https://twitter.com/paulsurovell/status/967945282955640832 …

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    5. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror Feb 25
      Replying to @empiricalerror @paulsurovell and

      because, yes, it makes a difference where they came from.

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    6. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Feb 25
      Replying to @empiricalerror @emptywheel @AndrewMcCarthy_

      So maybe they are DNC docs posted in June? FWIW maybe it's not "cool," but the 2 of u should learn how to discuss w/o name-calling.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 26
      Replying to @paulsurovell @empiricalerror @AndrewMcCarthy_

      Paul, here's what happened. Because a RU persona said the docs were from DNC everyone just assumed they were. W/o thinking why he might have said so. Since then evidence (incl Podesta's own statements) should have led people to realize that was wrong.

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    8. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Feb 26
      Replying to @emptywheel @empiricalerror @AndrewMcCarthy_

      (a) I'm not interested in it being RU, I find Binney/VIPS position most convincing (b) I conceded the June issue early on, but u pushed it as a "gotcha" so I played along, expecting to reach closure, something like what u just posted, altho I'd also expect references (cont'd)

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 26
      Replying to @paulsurovell @empiricalerror @AndrewMcCarthy_

      The reason the Binney (note not all VIPS buy what you wrongly call the VIPS theory) is utterly wrong is he doesn't account for the multiple servers being hacked. So again, you're believing something unsustainable w/fact of multiple server hacks.

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    10. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Feb 26
      Replying to @emptywheel @empiricalerror @AndrewMcCarthy_

      Are we talking about this (first memo Dec 2016)?https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/12/us-intel-vets-dispute-russia-hacking-claims/ …

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 26
      Replying to @paulsurovell @empiricalerror @AndrewMcCarthy_

      Yes. A number of VIPs members have criticized that, rightly. Are you really so unaware of these details you don't even know THAT? Wow you're ill-equipped to play this game.

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        1. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Feb 26
          Replying to @emptywheel @empiricalerror @AndrewMcCarthy_

          Can u show me evidence of criticism by VIPS members of the Dec 2016 memo? I think you're thinking of the July 2017 memo.

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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 26
          Replying to @paulsurovell @empiricalerror @AndrewMcCarthy_

          Sorry--you're right.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 26
          Replying to @emptywheel @paulsurovell and

          Tho I will say I had a convo w/Binney after that and ... he had no evidence.

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        4. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Feb 26
          Replying to @emptywheel @empiricalerror @AndrewMcCarthy_

          But the central point of Dec 2016 memo is the absence of evidence contraposed to NSA's capability to trace any hack.

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        5. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Feb 26
          Replying to @paulsurovell @emptywheel and

          By the way, the internal VIPS criticism of the July 2017 memo was specific to download speed, not to VIPS' general critique of Russian hacking allegation (expressed in Dec 2016). A good example of this is Scott Ritter's criticism of July 2017 http://bit.ly/2hZFClg  (cont'd)

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        6. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Feb 26
          Replying to @paulsurovell @emptywheel and

          You may recall that Ritter wrote a critique of the NYT Papadopoulos-Mifsud story that I shared w you a while back:http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/in-the-russian-collusion-debate-whos-fooling-who/ …

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        7. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror Feb 26
          Replying to @paulsurovell @emptywheel @AndrewMcCarthy_

          lol

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