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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 23

    Wondering if anyone wants to start a betting line on what date Paul Manafort will flip.

    7:46 AM - 23 Feb 2018
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      1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 23

        You gotta bet like on Price Is Right. Closest price without going over.

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      2. Elizabeth "Meinongian Object" Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto Feb 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Weirdly, I suppose, I'm guessing he won't (though he may plead guilty). I wonder if he's done so much bad shit and is so untrustworthy that it may not be worth it.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Elizabeth "Meinongian Object" Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto Feb 23
        Replying to @epicciuto @emptywheel

        My white collar criminal attorney father disagrees with this, so I'm going with him!

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 23
        Replying to @epicciuto

        Disagrees with that? That he won't flip? I definitely see that side of things.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Elizabeth "Meinongian Object" Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto Feb 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        My dad thinks that Mueller will definitely at least try to get him to flip, no matter how much bad shit he's done and how untrustworthy he is. Cited Sammy the Bull.

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 23
        Replying to @epicciuto

        And you're now siding with Dad? I think that's right. Though definitely see why Manafort might not do it. At some point, though, he's going to run out of $$ to pay lawyers. If he hasn't already.

        4 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      7. Under Penalty of Felony‏ @BalkansBohemia Feb 23
        Replying to @emptywheel @epicciuto

        You know how Hobbits have second breakfasts and elevensies? Manfort's that way putting up his properties as collateral. Or wants to be.

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      2. Bernie Disputed Supernatural Phenomenon Katz‏ @katz_bernie Feb 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Two weeks after bond is revoked. They always flip in jail, for some reason

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 23
        Replying to @katz_bernie

        Yeah, I think jail will realign Manafort's commitments, if he can be assured he'll stay alive in prison.

        0 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
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      2. Florshiem Shoe‏ @shojiscreen Feb 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        What do you make of the idea circulating that Manafort holds out for a pardon or goes to trial rather than plea because cooperation would put him in danger of assassination?

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 23
        Replying to @shojiscreen

        I think he is in great danger of assassination, yes.

        7 replies 2 retweets 22 likes
      4. Florshiem Shoe‏ @shojiscreen Feb 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        So jail is the safest place?

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      5. M.S. Bellows, Jr.‏ @msbellows Feb 23
        Replying to @shojiscreen @emptywheel

        Jail is NOT the safest place.

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      6. Florshiem Shoe‏ @shojiscreen Feb 23
        Replying to @msbellows @emptywheel

        Then why in the world would he flip?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. M.S. Bellows, Jr.‏ @msbellows Feb 23
        Replying to @shojiscreen @emptywheel

        Because he would like to live his last few years NOT in jail. You flip to get a reduced sentence.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Allen (Lovachoff) Smith a/k/a “Squi”‏ @NashCitySmitty Feb 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Is he the key to Trump?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 23
        Replying to @NashCitySmitty

        Mueller has a number of keys in his pocket.

        2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
      4. BansheeBabe‏ @bansheebabe Feb 23
        Replying to @emptywheel @NashCitySmitty

        And do we think one of those keys has Jared's name on it?

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Allen (Lovachoff) Smith a/k/a “Squi”‏ @NashCitySmitty Feb 23
        Replying to @bansheebabe @emptywheel

        Perhaps - nepotism is a double-edged sword; ask Uday

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Dan Potter‏ @Casual_Obs Feb 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Could a preemptive pardon = obstruction?

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 23
        Replying to @Casual_Obs

        Hard to do that, but not impossible. It's just not clear how it'll help at this point, and that's even before you consider the sealed indictment filed in the last week.

        3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      4. bmaz‏ @bmaz Feb 23
        Replying to @emptywheel @Casual_Obs

        A single pardon? That would be hard. But a series would be easier than you think to fit within obstruction. Some asshole has been saying that for a while though.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Dan Potter‏ @Casual_Obs Feb 23
        Replying to @bmaz @emptywheel

        So as a Trump strategy, why not have Manafort take the bullet, then commute sentence, add a fine, claim the whole thing was excessive and politically motivated, as was done with Scooter.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. bmaz‏ @bmaz Feb 23
        Replying to @Casual_Obs @emptywheel

        Because there is so much more in play than just Manafort. And Trump is not near the top of Manafort's concerns.

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