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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
      Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

      And how does that stat disprove that?

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    2. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
      Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

      It shows that the Lakhta digital troll effort (think "earned media" vs. paid) DWARFED their ad effort, confirming my view that the paltry amount on FB was *seeding* rather than persuasion.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
      Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

      Oh. I get your point now. Thanks.

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
      Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

      OK. How are you separating out the US part of Lakhta?

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    5. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
      Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

      Maybe my assumption about the indictment is wrong -- I thought they were focusing their budgetary figures on the TRANSLATOR program but maybe I am wrong. Nonetheless, 90 person TRANSLATOR team is much more significant than the Facebook ads that FB has so far acknowledged.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
      Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

      It's not. That's global, including RU, which is why I raised that. But now you're treating TRANSLATOR as exclusively FB, not FB plus Twitter plus everything else. I think Twitter far too often gets a pass as FB gets all the attention, FWIW.

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    7. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
      Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

      For sure -- look, it's even Tumblr: https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/russian-trolls-ran-wild-on-tumblr-and-the-company-refuses?utm_term=.woNpA8woOA#.uxyYdB9qJd … My point on FB is that the begrudging FB admission produced the first batch of IRA accounts which have then been used across Pinterest, Twitter, Youtube, etc... (1/2)

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    8. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
      Replying to @jeffhauser @emptywheel @ggreenwald

      Due to my ex ante views of Facebook, their market scale (Twitter & Snap are teetering under FB's assault in ways that pique my interest as former DOJ antitrust lawyer), and import of platform I use them for synecdoche re social media writ large. Youtube also key.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
      Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

      I think that's problematic. In part bc they still function differently, in part bc Twitter has more "need" to permit bots now. In part bc however begrudgingly, FB has still been more transparent than the others.

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    10. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
      Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

      I know you have some sources so maybe my cynicism is wrong, but I am 100% skeptical that after taking 9 months to acknowledge ads bought *in rubles from St. Petersburg might be evidence of Russian interference,* Facebook is now telling the whole story.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
      Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

      What took them 9 months was doing additional analysis to find all the fake users. It took them 5 months to admit being used, both of which still beat Twitter, which was almost certainly a bigger problem, by a good bit.

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