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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20

      emptywheel Retweeted Aaron Maté

      I think everyone should watch this (remember, Chen reported on IRA 2.5 years ago!). But the social media stuff is one part of the conspiracy. We don't know yet whether it links to the rest of the conspiracies.https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/965960691697049601 …

      emptywheel added,

      1:05
      Aaron MatéVerified account @aaronjmate
      OMG, a sober/informed Russia take on MSNBC! @AdrianChen , who profiled indicted Russian troll farm in 2015, tells @chrislhayes that what other MSNBC guests have compared to Pearl Harbor "is essentially a social media marketing campaign" and maybe not worthy of a national freakout pic.twitter.com/UkUaK2XRPe
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    2. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Chen is digging in on how he bungled the follow-up (to his amazing 2015 reporting). He initially obsessed over the "$100k on Facebook number" as well (as did @ggreenwald and others). Computational propaganda alters FB & Twitter's algorithms, needn't persuade directly. (1/2)

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
      Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

      I don't think focusing on the $ is a bungle. We know the universe of ad spending, including FB ad spending, for the election. Comparing how much each side spends is one respected way of measuring influence and reach.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
      Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

      But that's how you measure full born campaigns against each other which are each using ads to *persuade*. IRA was using ads to *seed* an expensive and long term paid troll/organic growth strategy. Totally different line items of a budget in any political organization.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
      Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

      Nah. If you were measuring that, you'd need to look at their real budget, which includes a lot of other targets, including RU.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
      Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

      That's not true -- $1.25 million a month (in a relatively poor country, that goes a long way) is specifically for Project Lakhta (see attached from page 7 of the IRA indictment).pic.twitter.com/L6RtEgx2VB

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
      Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

      What is not true?

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    8. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
      Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

      You were saying that the reason the amount to which Facebook has thus far (begrudgingly) confessed receiving is highly relevant is because if you were too look at the digital organizing component more broadly you'd need to separate out the intra-Russian component.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
      Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

      And how does that stat disprove that?

      9:17 AM - 21 Feb 2018
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        2. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
          Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

          It shows that the Lakhta digital troll effort (think "earned media" vs. paid) DWARFED their ad effort, confirming my view that the paltry amount on FB was *seeding* rather than persuasion.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
          Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

          Oh. I get your point now. Thanks.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
          Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

          OK. How are you separating out the US part of Lakhta?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
          Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

          Maybe my assumption about the indictment is wrong -- I thought they were focusing their budgetary figures on the TRANSLATOR program but maybe I am wrong. Nonetheless, 90 person TRANSLATOR team is much more significant than the Facebook ads that FB has so far acknowledged.

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
          Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

          It's not. That's global, including RU, which is why I raised that. But now you're treating TRANSLATOR as exclusively FB, not FB plus Twitter plus everything else. I think Twitter far too often gets a pass as FB gets all the attention, FWIW.

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        7. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
          Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

          For sure -- look, it's even Tumblr: https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/russian-trolls-ran-wild-on-tumblr-and-the-company-refuses?utm_term=.woNpA8woOA#.uxyYdB9qJd … My point on FB is that the begrudging FB admission produced the first batch of IRA accounts which have then been used across Pinterest, Twitter, Youtube, etc... (1/2)

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        8. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser Feb 21
          Replying to @jeffhauser @emptywheel @ggreenwald

          Due to my ex ante views of Facebook, their market scale (Twitter & Snap are teetering under FB's assault in ways that pique my interest as former DOJ antitrust lawyer), and import of platform I use them for synecdoche re social media writ large. Youtube also key.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 21
          Replying to @jeffhauser @ggreenwald

          I think that's problematic. In part bc they still function differently, in part bc Twitter has more "need" to permit bots now. In part bc however begrudgingly, FB has still been more transparent than the others.

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