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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20

      emptywheel Retweeted Sheera Frenkel

      Apparently pointing out that a NYT "fact check" is itself not entirely factual is a conspiracy.https://twitter.com/sheeraf/status/966076252502220801 …

      emptywheel added,

      Sheera FrenkelVerified account @sheeraf
      Replying to @emptywheel @ChristianStork
      Honestly, still haven’t had a chance to read what you wrote and that mistake was spotted by a desk editor who put in a correction before you published. There is no conspiracy here.
      2 replies 6 retweets 21 likes
    2. Sheera Frenkel‏Verified account @sheeraf Feb 20
      Replying to @emptywheel

      You are being disingenuous now. The tweet this referred to suggested that we created a story in order to write about it. That’s not what happened.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
      Replying to @sheeraf

      Sheera: The NYT stories, plural, are being broadly picked up and sowing more and more misunderstanding. Do you bear absolutely no responsibility for the things you deem to hold FB responsible for? Zero? NYT is above all that?

      2 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
    4. Sheera Frenkel‏Verified account @sheeraf Feb 20
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Again, reading his tweets, he specifically cites ads. Hence the points I made in my story. You wrote “Goldman was addressing all of IRA’s activity on Facebook.” I just don’t understand how you came to that conclusion.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
      Replying to @sheeraf

      HELLOOO. You still don't even understand the basic point. You are doing precisely what you accused him of. The indictment is ALSO not all the ads, and yet you treat it as if it is.

      2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
      Replying to @emptywheel @sheeraf

      Do you know this very basic fact: prosecutors don't actually include things in an indictment that 1) aren't illegal 2) don't prove the crimes the indictment alleges? Are you familiar with that?

      1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
    7. Sheera Frenkel‏Verified account @sheeraf Feb 20
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I’m not going to get into a debate with you over the indictment. My story was about the tweets of a Facebook executive in charge of ads on the platform.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
      Replying to @sheeraf

      Thanks. When I do that, then it will be an appropriate response. I'm not debating the indictment obviously. I'm pointing out laughable errors you refuse to even review.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Sheera Frenkel‏Verified account @sheeraf Feb 20
      Replying to @emptywheel

      We obviously disagree based on one underlying fact. You think Goldman was referencing the entirety of the indictment, and more broadly, all IRA activity on his platform. I am taking him at his word when he specifically tweeted about ads.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
      Replying to @sheeraf

      Aha! You've now admitted your fundamental error. Goldman was referring to "all the ads." Not "all the ads in the indictment." See your error now? Which is why it's an analytical error to use JUST the ads in the indictment to assess his claims about ALL the ads.

      3:07 PM - 20 Feb 2018
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        1. Sheera Frenkel‏Verified account @sheeraf Feb 20
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Again. Are you in his head? He specifically discusses the indictment. Unless he wants to weigh in (and I’m happy to hear from him). You are guessing.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
          Replying to @sheeraf

          Can you point to the word indictment here? It's not there. So where do YOU invent the claim he's talking about the indictment when two details show he's speaking more broadly? You, not me, are guessing.pic.twitter.com/1dNzwoT2gt

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
          Replying to @emptywheel @sheeraf

          Look. Maybe start by fixing your laughable Hillary at the non-Hillary anti-Islamic protest claim, bc once you do that you'll see that's another piece of evidence you ignored that he's not talking about the indictment.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
          Replying to @emptywheel @sheeraf

          The reason the protests HE discusses (that you got laughably wrong) aren't in the indictment is bc they're probably not illegal under the theory Mueller used.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
          Replying to @emptywheel @sheeraf

          Here's a definition of the word "all," which you seem to have mis-read as "indictment." You'll see "indictment" is not listed as a synonym. Glad to be of help on basic reading.pic.twitter.com/EWX9LZMOBK

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
          Replying to @emptywheel @sheeraf

          Here's a link you probably should have followed before doing a so-called "fact check." It's to a report on "all" the ads. https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2017/10/hard-questions-russian-ads-delivered-to-congress/ … Reminder: "all" is not a synonym for "indictment."

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 20
          Replying to @emptywheel @sheeraf

          Here's another link you should have followed before doing a so-called "Fact check." It's to the story abt the protests you got laughably wrong. See all the Hillary ads? Oh, wait. No Hillary. https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2017/11/01/russian-trolls-organized-both-sides-of-an-islam-protest-in-texas …pic.twitter.com/6GvVs7plld

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