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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald Feb 19

      Glenn Greenwald Retweeted Chuck Todd

      It's like 2002 all over again: our media stars are decreeing that it is the duty of every patriotic citizen to maintain at the forefront of our minds the question of how we will "punish Russia." Please, Chuck, enlighten us: what should the US do, specifically, to "punish Russia"?https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/964619011005788160 …

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      Chuck ToddVerified account @chucktodd
      If you work in American politics or in the Gov’t on any level and your first reaction to today’s Mueller indictment is NOT ”how are we going to prevent this from happening again and how are we going to punish Russia,” then you need to rethink your priorities as a citizen.
      201 replies 414 retweets 1,097 likes
    2. Steven L. Hall‏ @StevenLHall1 Feb 19
      Replying to @ggreenwald

      What what you suggest, then, Glenn? No reaction? No consequences for Putin? A strongly worded letter? How do you think any of that would be interpreted in the Kremlin?

      13 replies 13 retweets 69 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 19
      Replying to @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

      I don't consider US democracy promotion in RU to be the same as RU democracy tainting, but you know Putin does. How did he respond after 2011, 2012, and 2014? Where does that escalation head?

      6:42 AM - 19 Feb 2018
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        2. paddyvbrown‏ @paddyvbrown Feb 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          We promote democracy in Russia? I respect you, but it’s hard to believe that anybody would seriously believe that “democracy promotion” was anything but a cynical veil.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 19
          Replying to @paddyvbrown @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          There are those that promote democracy for those cynical reasons and those who do so because they believe in it and those receiving the aid who believe it really important.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. paddyvbrown‏ @paddyvbrown Feb 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          And if the US powerful believed it was important, why do they only promote democracy with our geopolitical rivals?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 19
          Replying to @paddyvbrown @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          One might ask if the best response to the election hack would be to do some democracy promotion here.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. paddyvbrown‏ @paddyvbrown Feb 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          Yes, exactly I’ll go out on a limb and say that voter suppression had a far greater effect than 13 Facebook trolls.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 19
          Replying to @paddyvbrown @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          As I've said repeatedly. And GOP trolling was far better funded and far more effectively implemented than the IRA stuff.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        2. Steven L. Hall‏ @StevenLHall1 Feb 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

          It's a good question, but I don't think the West can allow possible Putin reactions to guide our policy on this one.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 19
          Replying to @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          Isn't the first end goal to prevent this from happening again? If so, how is more economic isolation (that it's not clear we can sustain, particularly as Trump refuses any global leadership role) going to do that?

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          And how do we add in retaliation for the Shadow Brokers/Vault 7 leaks and NotPetya exploitation of NSA exploits, without escalating our way to major war?

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        2. LodeStarFarmer‏ @TheSeaFarmer Feb 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          Brazilian Glenn should be ignored. It's not 2002 for him anymore, either.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 19
          Replying to @TheSeaFarmer @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          I'm responding to Steven, not Glenn, because I think the Q of how to respond when, in Putin's mind, 2016 WAS a response to what he considers similar tampering.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. LodeStarFarmer‏ @TheSeaFarmer Feb 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          Well it's a general statement. GG thrives (and enjoys) when he succeeds getting everyone riled up. Not saying your point is wrong but none of these things will be solved on his timeline.

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        2. Hindontva‏ @v1ss_a_v Feb 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          US attempts at 'cultivating' democracy anywhere are infinity-times worse than anything Russia could try. It is a bloodthirsty hegemon, responsible for the destruction of Iraq, resurgence of slavery in Libya, genocide in Yemen (& that's just in this century!). Laughable that +

          2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
        3. "Jane Doe"‏ @ojoscriollos Feb 19
          Replying to @v1ss_a_v @emptywheel and

          "Democracy promotion"? More like regime change everywhere, including Russia, U.S. doesn't already control. U.S. regime change in Ukraine, Syria, Honduras, Libya, Iraq, etc. haven't been about promoting democracy. Surely you know that?

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        1. Mills‏ @Kmills4V Feb 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @StevenLHall1 @ggreenwald

          President Ivanka Trump

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