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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 18

    In snotty piece about indictment of Internet trolls that claims "large numbers of Americans are ill-equipped to assess credibility of the things they read," Evan Osnos admits Mueller "trolling" the press.https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/reading-the-mueller-indictment-a-russian-american-fraud …

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      1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 18

        I think my favorite part of this snotty piece is that Osnos calls pseudonymity anonymity.

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      2. Mirriam Richard Marx @ me Seddiq‏Verified account @mirriam71 Feb 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I'm sorry - they need indictments for discovery?

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 18
        Replying to @mirriam71

        "Journalists have gotten everything about Mueller wrong so far and so I'll do it again all while bitching about the rubes who got fooled."

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      4. Mirriam Richard Marx @ me Seddiq‏Verified account @mirriam71 Feb 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        The feds are usually pretty good at keeping most shit under wraps tbh. That's how they can maneuver these months long wiretaps and undercover operations.

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 18
        Replying to @mirriam71

        Knowing that would require knowing people who get wiretapped.

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      2.  🎸Wayne Harrison 🎸‏ @wayneh0813 Feb 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        "Even the trolls themselves were surprised at what Americans would believe." People believe Pres. Obama is a foreign born Muslim, & Hillary molests children in the basement of a pizza joint. Once you start down that road, you’ll believe anything.

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 18
        Replying to @wayneh0813

        He actually didn't defend that point. But he would have been better talking about tribalism, starting with journalist tribalism.

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      2. Matt Manzella‏ @MatManz Feb 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Mueller doesn't strike me as the "trolling" type.

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      3. Booberry Morning‏ @MorningBluberry Feb 18
        Replying to @MatManz @emptywheel

        Point is, the loudest voices complaining about the gullibility of others are often purveyors or believers of false information themselves.

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      4. Matt Manzella‏ @MatManz Feb 18
        Replying to @MorningBluberry @emptywheel

        Perhaps the Louise Mensch-following crowd but for the rest of us that double and triple check new information on #TrumpRussia, we want facts and only facts.

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 18
        Replying to @MatManz @MorningBluberry

        No. But "trolling" was a very funny word to use to describe a man who refuses, for a long list of very good reasons, to be easy to read.

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      1. Susan Hatch‏ @SusaMorgan Feb 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        It's true, as two others said below, that too many Americans happily indulged in motivated reasoning allowing them to believe lies and conspiracy theories. They also lack the skills to question & think critically. I see nothing "snotty" about stating what is an obvious truism.

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      1. robin vercruse‏ @divejunkee Feb 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Maybe piece is snotty, but that "large numbers of Americans are ill-equipped to assess credibility of the things they read" is justifiable. Some are incapable; many more don't have the necessary context, or time/energy/motivation to critically assess amidst info overload.

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      1. sub nom.‏ @Seeitcanbeblank Feb 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        That is objectively true, and I'm completely stunned anyone could pretend otherwise. Especially someone who lives in Michigan.

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