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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 17

    "The more we use the t-word to refer to conduct that doesn’t remotely resemble the constitutional definition, the more we are — willfully — turning a blind eye to the sordid history of treason that led to its unique treatment in the U.S. Constitution."https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/americans-have-forgotten-what-treason-actually-means-how-it-can-ncna848651 …

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      2. nailbomb3‏ @nailbomb3 Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        what did you think of Risen's article? You may have already addressed it, and I just missed it. If so, my apologies.

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 17
        Replying to @nailbomb3

        I was unenthused by it.

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      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel @nailbomb3

        Catching up from several days in Babylon. May circle back to it or just do my own, state of the RU investigation, bc I haven't liked any of them so far.

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      1. Michael Drake‏ @thedrakesplace Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        That’s just dumb. Conspiring with an *adversary* to gain power and subvert the electoral process of the US—to the detriment of the US and the benefit of the adversary—resembles treason more than it does anything else.

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      1. Jeff Adkins‏ @jadkins85 Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Understand the point, but come on -- doesn't *remotely* resemble treason? Not even remotely? Working with a (hostile) foreign power to harm the United States? That might not tick every box for the dictionary definition of treason, but I see some "resemblance"

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      1. OMG‏ @murrayjohnsonjr Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        So if Russia did attack us, using cyber warfare cuz it was 2016, not 1816, and the @GOP refuses to admit it, does it make it any less true or treasonous to aid and abet them?

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      1. Stuart Katz‏ @StuartKatz3 Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I am pretty unimpressed with this analysis. Yes, as a basis for prosecution treason is very narrowly defined, but we’re not in court. Colluding with a hostile foreign power to rig an election is well within the scope of what ordinary people consider treasonous.

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      1. Michael Keenan‏ @CitizenMichael1 Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        James Risen delves into the scope of treason. I would want to hear him out bar none.https://theintercept.com/2018/02/16/trump-russia-election-hacking-investigation/ …

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      1. Devastating McDee‏ @devdotcom Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        When it's ur job to defend American and u do nothing, what do u call it? When u praise a dictator that attacked our country... nevermind

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      1. Dan Roosien‏ @droosien Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I think it would be helpful if scolds against even colloquial usage suggested an alternative that captured the gravity of what we're talking about.

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      1. Dave Cadaqu‏ @davecadaqu Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        1) to your point, few are familiar with the Constitutional history or wording so who cares 2) the Constitution is purposely flexible so maybe time to modernize the meaning of the “T word”

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      1. James Mackey‏ @LiberalDem101 Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        What is the word we use for what Trump has done?

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      2. Fred McTweeter‏ @tweetinomglol Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        So treason is out, but only because we haven't formally declared war against Russia? It would seem like installing a witting puppet President as a sort of a modern mis-information coup is quite cleary an act of war when/if discovered.

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      1. Paul Johnson‏ @Paulouco Feb 22
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Your narrow definition of enemies may be correct legally, but it's blithe and dangerous ignorance. “You can lose the war even if you have overwhelming advantage—militarily, economically, technologically—if you don’t recognize you are at war” - Gary Kasparov

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      1. Charles O'Connor‏ @CharlesOConnor8 Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        It's tempting to throw the accusation out, if only to cut through the willful obtuseness of Trump supporters. Better, though, to say POTUS is compromised.

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      1. Jestbill‏ @Jestbill Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        My only complaint is the bothsidism in the article. Yes, people are calling Trump treasonous, but this is not the first or only time the word has been misused.

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      1. SenorColdRiver‏ @SenorGreyGoose Feb 17
        Replying to @emptywheel

        What is shocking is the fact that this idiocy is being spread by people who know better.

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