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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 13

      emptywheel Retweeted NYTimes Communications

      When the NYT hires away your blog's latest great contributor. Congrats to @quinnnorton!https://twitter.com/NYTimesPR/status/963502764377731074 …

      emptywheel added,

      NYTimes CommunicationsVerified account @NYTimesPR
      .@quinnnorton has joined the @nytimes editorial board as lead opinion writer on the power, culture and consequences of technology. Read on in a note from @jbennet, @katiekings and @jimdao https://www.nytco.com/quinn-norton-named-to-editorial-board/ … pic.twitter.com/groh0Si09M
      22 replies 16 retweets 55 likes
    2.  🌹 🍄We're All Mad Here 🎩 🌹‏ @Lollerwaffle Feb 13
      Replying to @emptywheel @quinnnorton

      What exactly is the deal with her friendship with a neo nazi? I didnt know this was a thing until today. I enjoyed her last few pieces on your site, but disappointed by the milkshake duck situation. I know people arent perfect, but who is openly friends with a white supremacist?

      3 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 13
      Replying to @Lollerwaffle @quinnnorton

      Someone who has spent a lifetime learning about how we're all very flawed humans, and from that learned engaging can be important?

      7 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
    4.  🌹 🍄We're All Mad Here 🎩 🌹‏ @Lollerwaffle Feb 13
      Replying to @emptywheel @quinnnorton

      Has engaging with Weev for years done anything to make him less of a Nazi? I don't mean to pile on, I know these issues can be complicated. I really appreciated the piece she did about her surgery. I am a chronic pain patient who has had several spinal surgeries, & it spoke to me

      2 replies 2 retweets 11 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 13
      Replying to @Lollerwaffle @quinnnorton

      https://medium.com/@quinnnorton/the-problem-with-white-shunning-56b67cc2d726 …

      2:28 PM - 13 Feb 2018
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        1. Armando‏ @armandodkos Feb 13
          Replying to @emptywheel @Lollerwaffle @quinnnorton

          You found that persuasive?

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        2.  🌹 🍄We're All Mad Here 🎩 🌹‏ @Lollerwaffle Feb 13
          Replying to @emptywheel @quinnnorton

          Thank you, I will give this piece a read once I get dinner started.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. the real Amanda‏ @Amanda46220 Feb 13
          Replying to @Lollerwaffle @emptywheel @quinnnorton

          Soooo she thinks it’s important to remain friends with people with abhorrent views because? Not sure I see the point that she is reaching for—if you are a Nazi then we can’t be friends. That’s it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4.  🌹 🍄We're All Mad Here 🎩 🌹‏ @Lollerwaffle Feb 13
          Replying to @Amanda46220 @emptywheel @quinnnorton

          I read the piece, & while I understand the perspective, I wonder, at what point do you "call" the intervention? Do you ever give up? If someone is a Nazi & they're still a Nazi after 10 years of you trying to wear them down, is that productive?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5.  🌹 🍄We're All Mad Here 🎩 🌹‏ @Lollerwaffle Feb 13
          Replying to @Lollerwaffle @Amanda46220 and

          I also wonder how the targets of Weev's racism feel about it. Do they see that as valuable, or do they find it hurtful in the way some trans people said they were hurt by Chelsea Manning palling around with alt right figures who have said hateful things about trans ppl?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6.  🌹 🍄We're All Mad Here 🎩 🌹‏ @Lollerwaffle Feb 13
          Replying to @Lollerwaffle @Amanda46220 and

          I dont know what the answer is, but I remain conflicted. I do think there is great value in confronting racist family members in the way Quinn described in the article. I feel iffy on expanding this to friends because its hard for me to comprehend how to be friends w a Weev.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        7. the real Amanda‏ @Amanda46220 Feb 13
          Replying to @Lollerwaffle @emptywheel @quinnnorton

          Family is one thing because you don’t get to choose them—but, if my family members were Nazis I think I would be able to end that relationship. But “friends”—why continue engagement with someone who holds such awful opinions—unless, on some level, you think that’s okay.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8.  🌹 🍄We're All Mad Here 🎩 🌹‏ @Lollerwaffle Feb 13
          Replying to @Amanda46220

          We stay in it for family because its hard to give up on someone you love, even after years. I think the tactics in the article work better on a lesser degree of racist. Some you can bring back from the brink. A nazi whose been a nazi for years? Why expend the effort

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