emptywheel

No, I'm not... You're misreading what I said. I understand that APT-28 infiltrated the dnc months before, and APT-29 came infiltrated Sept. 2015 (according to crowdstrike).... I'm saying that these claims by Alperovich (June 14) were the first of Russian interference of 2016.

They were the first public notice. But you're suggesting that hacks that were happening in those same two time periods didn't result in leaked documents--and leaked docs FIRST. That's where you're wrong.

"they were the first of public notice" - thank you for acknowledging my point - that this story was the initial claim of Russian election interference... The rest you just said isn't what I suggested, nor does make much sense.

But that's so besides the point as to be fucking idiotic. Trying to prove (even assuming you were right) what happened w/DNC hack when those aren't the emails that matter most is a sideshow.

There are other emails, besides the hacked dnc emails which showed a bias against Bernie Sanders, which matter more?? This is what started the Russian interference claim!!

False. Totally and utterly false. Again, when you learn the basic details here, perhaps we could have a more productive conversation.

@DropTha_Mic25 @chiIIum @kevinh07 @with_integrity

I've a disinclination to get involved as it's clear different people have a different perspective of what is and isn't important and/or relevant and each person may be considering a different range/scope of issues/topics surrounding the topic of the DNCLeaks, etc.