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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1.  🤔Jake Laperruque 😒‏ @JakeLaperruque Feb 6

       🤔Jake Laperruque 😒 Retweeted P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡

      Setting aside its 702 powers, the FBI runs controversial things like -Unchecked Facial recognition surveillance that affects over 100 million people -Surveillance of BLM activists and “Black Identity Extremist” focus Don’t tell us to ignore that because of Nunes & Trump stuntshttps://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/960882998597111809 …

       🤔Jake Laperruque 😒 added,

      P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡ @pwnallthethings
      And the left should be smart enough to realize this isn't the time for another round of "law enforcement is bad, so let's pile in on FBI". The question now isn't whether FBI is good or bad. It's whether the president can close down investigations into himself and his associates
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    2. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings Feb 6
      Replying to @JakeLaperruque

      Maybe re-read the thread, Jake. The whole point is not to be uncritical of the FBI, but not to recognize the Nunes fiasco isn't about whether the FBI is good or bad.

      1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
    3.  🤔Jake Laperruque 😒‏ @JakeLaperruque Feb 6
      Replying to @pwnallthethings

      Point me to the part of your thread where you encourage people to make reasonable critiques of FBI current practices. I just see you labeling criticisms as “piling on” (conflating us with BS Trump attacks) & acknowledging Hoover was bad as though there are no current problems

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings Feb 6
      Replying to @JakeLaperruque

      Sorry, you read my thread that repeatedly pointed out that the FBI has engaged in abuses, that Hoover set up an unconst'l fourth branch and that it would be too dangerous to exist if it was politicized was too uncritical for you, Jake.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    5.  🤔Jake Laperruque 😒‏ @JakeLaperruque Feb 6
      Replying to @pwnallthethings

      I didn’t misread it. You acknowledged abuses from 50 years ago but said we shouldn’t criticize it today and ignored serious current problems. My point is FBI problems are an important ongoing issue that don’t get benched because Nunes is a con artist

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 6
      Replying to @JakeLaperruque @pwnallthethings

      Jake is right, Matt. Virtually none of the people who routinely criticize CURRENT abuses, with rigor and evidence, hopped on the Nunes fiasco. Setting up the conflict in the way you have disappears the most responsible side of this.

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    7.  🤔Jake Laperruque 😒‏ @JakeLaperruque Feb 6
      Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings

      I will admit ACLU and Snowden did bad tweets on it at end of 702 debate, but those were BY FAR the outlier and many privacy advocates (me included) said it was improper

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 6
      Replying to @JakeLaperruque @pwnallthethings

      Right: caricaturing those who do adhere to evidence and rigor (as seems all the rage among former spooks and agents these days) is undercutting the kind of evidence-based discussion that is necessary and responsible.

      7:03 AM - 6 Feb 2018
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        2. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings Feb 6
          Replying to @emptywheel @JakeLaperruque

          Thank you for demolishing a claim I didn't make and don't believe.

          2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
        3.  🤔Jake Laperruque 😒‏ @JakeLaperruque Feb 6
          Replying to @pwnallthethings @emptywheel

          Then why are you literally saying “this isn’t the time for another round of law enforcement is bad” We can be very critical of baseless attacks on a process with court oversight (Marcy & I both wrote op eds doing this) AND focused on important areas where law enforcement is bad

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 6
          Replying to @JakeLaperruque @pwnallthethings

          I'm not even saying LE is bad. I'm saying LE is human and we need processes to manage those humans, which processes those humans largely evade by insisting all LE are heroes.

          0 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
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