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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Mustafa Al-Bassam‏ @musalbas Feb 5

      Mustafa Al-Bassam Retweeted Michael S. Smith II

      If the US's ability to deter foreign hackers is incompatible with other countries' democratic laws, that's the US's problem. The US doesn't own the world. There's absolutely no reason why Lauri can't be tried and prosecuted in the UK, as I was in 2011.https://twitter.com/MichaelSSmithII/status/960582148511141888 …

      Mustafa Al-Bassam added,

      Michael S. Smith IIVerified account @MichaelSSmithII
      ATT Friends in UK: Earlier today, I did an interview with @Channel4News re the implications of @LauriLove’s extradition appeal. Put simply, the ruling will negatively impact the US’s abilities to deter foreign hackers from targeting government systems and critical infrastructure.
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    2. Mustafa Al-Bassam‏ @musalbas Feb 5

      One of the satisfying things about Lauri Love's extradition being denied is watching obnoxious American national security "thought leaders" getting mad that the US does not have jurisdiction in the UK and can't arbitrarily kidnap foreign citizens, like they do in the Middle East.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 5
      Replying to @musalbas

      Dunno. US still manages to kidnap terrorism defendants. The big message should be why UK can't try people. Kronos targeted UK, not US. What the fuck is @MalwareTechBlog being tried here for?

      2 replies 4 retweets 11 likes
    4. Mustafa Al-Bassam‏ @musalbas Feb 5
      Replying to @emptywheel @MalwareTechBlog

      Well, I did say "arbitrarily". Until the forum bar, the US-UK extradition treaty was extremely one-sided towards the US (and still is to an extent), there was very little possible grounds to challenge US extraditions.

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 5
      Replying to @musalbas @MalwareTechBlog

      Wasn't the forum bar in place before Minh Quang Pham (Vietnamese immigrant who worked on AQAP's Inspire for a few months) was extradited?

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    6. Mustafa Al-Bassam‏ @musalbas Feb 5
      Replying to @emptywheel @MalwareTechBlog

      I'm not familiar with that case. I'm not saying the system is perfect, but this was an important victory that sets a precedent for other people that might find themselves in a similar situation to @laurilove.

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 5
      Replying to @musalbas @MalwareTechBlog @laurilove

      It was pretty bad. He was detained when he returned to UK fr Yemen, wandered around for 6 months, then May tried to strip his UK citizenship, then shipped him over here.

      2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 5
      Replying to @emptywheel @musalbas and

      The weirdest part of the case is that having Inspire is illegal in UK, but is not here. So it would arguably have been easier to prosecute him in UK.

      11:47 AM - 5 Feb 2018
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        1. ScarewareTech‏Verified account @MalwareTechBlog Feb 5
          Replying to @emptywheel @musalbas @laurilove

          It's the same for hacking too. US regularly has to bend laws to prosecute hackers, whereas UK's Serious Crime Act of 2009 explicitly makes basically everything illegal even common security research practices.

          1 reply 1 retweet 11 likes
        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Feb 5
          Replying to @MalwareTechBlog @musalbas @laurilove

          Well, they're making new stretches in your case. So you can take some pride that they're having to do EXTRA backflips.

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