emptywheel

I'd be very curious to learn more about 702, but I'm confident I'm not being played for a fool. I have tracked this issue from the political level from the beginning. To me, it's first & foremost a political scandal and only secondarily a matter of intel abuse.

Oh, but so have I tracked the politics. I'm the single biggest dossier skeptic on the left. And who said I was talking 702? You betray your lack of awareness there... You're being played for a fool.

I don't understand your basic contention. How exactly am I being duped?

Not only that, but Nunes et al AREN'T dealing with the real abuse that probably did affect Page (but which they just reauthorized).

The moral of the story is....there’s a history of the FISA Court being abused, so accusations that it was abused during the campaign/election probably isn’t a stretch. Correct?

You misstated what I said. I--a fierce civil liberties person--say the FISA Court is generally better than people make out (except for Rosemary Collyer).

Curious: what do you mean there by "during the campaign/election"?

During the primary and general elections. During the campaigning period. Also, the already unclassified court documents don’t exactly paint a great picture of what was happening.

But who? Page wasn't part of the campaign anymore. So for his purposes, it WASN'T part of the campaign. Are you suggesting he was still doing Trump's work?

I guess we’ll see. They had Manafort under surveillance since 2014, so it’s a bit strange that they didn’t start surveillance on the Trump campaign until right after he left.

It’s also strange that the Clinton camp was working so closely with the Ukrainians. They were getting “information” about Manafort from them. I wonder how much information flows between our agencies and theirs?