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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings Jan 25

      P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡ Retweeted Reuters World

      Great worked example of the prove it trap in action. 1) what info does this report give away? 2) what ops might be burned by this? Should we care? 3) who is persuaded by this who wasn't persuaded last week? 4) what do we learn?https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/956654692452438016?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0 …

      P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡ added,

      Reuters WorldVerified account @ReutersWorld
      Dutch intelligence agency spied on Russian hacking group: media http://reut.rs/2BtH0AK 
      14 replies 61 retweets 171 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 25
      Replying to @pwnallthethings

      Actually hearing a lot of people saying this is persuasive.

      1 reply 2 retweets 15 likes
    3. Jim White‏ @JimWhiteGNV Jan 25
      Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings

      It made me fully convinced. I had always worried about the ability to spoof actions. But if Dutch were in Cozy Bear network and saw attack go out in real time, that's actual evidence that is convincing.

      2 replies 3 retweets 15 likes
    4. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings Jan 25
      Replying to @JimWhiteGNV @emptywheel

      It was widely publicized the DNC hack used APT28 infrastructure for control. This report adds nothing other than burning sources and capabilities which are now presumably gone forever.

      4 replies 3 retweets 21 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 25
      Replying to @pwnallthethings @JimWhiteGNV

      Yes. To you it adds nothing. But others who don't have your institutional, um, faith don't find all that conclusive (& I bet a few details will still surprise you), but this is actually still better evidence (tho against 29, not 28).

      5 replies 2 retweets 18 likes
    6. codelancer‏ @codelancer Jan 25
      Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings @JimWhiteGNV

      this is just more confusing because everyone said APT28 = GRU, APT29 = FSB. Now they said APT29 = SVR.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 25
      Replying to @codelancer @pwnallthethings @JimWhiteGNV

      Yes. You saw me harping on Sanger about that? IMO one of the most interesting developments in the last week.

      3:21 PM - 25 Jan 2018
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        1. codelancer‏ @codelancer Jan 25
          Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings @JimWhiteGNV

          GRU in the sanction list, not SVR.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 25
          Replying to @codelancer @pwnallthethings @JimWhiteGNV

          FSB is, sort of. But yes, SVR is not mentioned in ICA at all. One of the reasons I was hammering Sanger. Won't be the only thing in ICA that doesn't bear out, I suspect. Suspect we'll also learn US IC kept this review too compartmented.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 25
          Replying to @emptywheel @codelancer and

          Oops. That "bear out" was in no way intended to be punny.

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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