Again, if DOJ has only ever used 702 in 8+2 cases (or has instead adopted secret notice on a wider scale, which is a problem unto itself), then we can simply shut down FBI's access bc it's not all that useful.
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Replying to @emptywheel @qjurecic and
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect. I already told you prosecution is not the only goal of intel collection. And now I am really done because you are very confident in your opinions and I don't really care if you believe me or your government. Have a nice night.
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Replying to @Marys_musings @qjurecic and
Truly. I've written about that too. But thanks for noting that child porn is often (not always) used to recruit informants. It's not that I don't believe you. It's that I do believe what the government puts in court documents, with which your statements conflict. I'm asking why.
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Replying to @emptywheel @qjurecic and
Wow, you really do have a twisted view of the government. Recruitment with child porn? Yikes.
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Replying to @Marys_musings @emptywheel and
Mary, did you miss Bush letting Wall Street use the FBI to leak to the media to force Gov. Spitzer out of office? http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003960,00.html … Why hasn't the DOJ under Bush, Obama, or Trump indicted even one Wall Street CEO for crashing the economy in 2008?
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Replying to @runtodaylight @emptywheel and
That's a bit far afield. Sorry, I have no idea. My guess would be rich guys stick together (political appointees), the guys at the top aren't dumb enough to get their hands dirty, and/or the law didn't actually prohibit their shitty behavior. But your guess is as good as mine.
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Replying to @Marys_musings @runtodaylight and
Your innate trust in a system inhabited by human beings(and all that entails..) is really odd.
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Replying to @29lhtran @runtodaylight and
It's not innate; it's based on experience. Nothing is perfect, but there are people of good will trying to do good work & they do it in the face of often ill-informed complaints and as the punching bags of the politicos. It's too bad more people can't see the good.
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Replying to @Marys_musings @runtodaylight and
I believe there are good people behind the scenes. But warrantless surveillance of citizens and the scant debate in congress thereof is extremely troubling. Let us not forget our "system" was built on a serious distrust of government, yet it is still susceptible.
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Replying to @29lhtran @runtodaylight and
The original point, here, is that 702 does not authorize warrantless surveillance of US citizens. But I acknowledge that that talking point cannot be defeated by the facts. It is apparently indestructible. Healthy skepticism is important, but facts are too.
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Actually we started this with a discussion of whether 702 serves to launder info from Intel to LE. Does it authorize warrantless access to US comms, of course. PCLOB says so. Does it let NSA collect domestic comms using the same selector as a target, then purge it? Yes.
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Replying to @emptywheel @29lhtran and
No one can question your devotion to your vision. Trump signed the reauth today, so I'm taking a vacation from my commitment to good-faith, evidence-based debate. Go forth and continue to spread your tale without comment from me.
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Replying to @Marys_musings @29lhtran and
Um. Now you claim PCLOB isn't evidence, after just claiming it's the only thing that counts?? For a lawyer you sure have a hard time when evidence proves you wrong.
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