"Opponents of Russia, who feed public fears that Russian influence is everywhere, may be working as inadvertent force multipliers of paranoia."http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/17/american-democracy-was-asking-for-it/ …
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Cernovich also rose from Gamergate/MRA-arseholery before he attracted wider attention. My first instinct, perhaps wrong, is to see this as an ecosystem rather than a simple product of manipulation. Entirely apart from big funders, there are ecological niches for nutters/grifters
I don't think that's right. Louise was still sucking on Murdoch's teat for much of her fandom. So you've got two right wing funders of the hoaxsters.
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The piece was in part motivated by annoyance at the willingness of people whose politics I mostly agree with to assume that Russia is ubiquitous and sinisterly effective in ways I don’t think it is. But I could quite happily envisage a sister-piece that talked to the other side…
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I love the piece!! But it is possible 1) we're incredibly vulnerable bc of shit we -- especially the far right -- has done but 2) the RU attack is more complex than people make out.
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For sure. I think that there are plenty of plausible counterarguments along the lines you suggest (although I also find the Gessen/Ioffe line fairly convincing on Russian perceptions/disorganization). And I could be wrong in specifics or big picture. But what I am trying to do is
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I find Gessen, especially invaluable. But she also emphasizes that Putin cares about shit here that he might not care about in other places.
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I think we underestimate the powerful attraction of
#NeverTrumpism and its now-numerous Pauls on the road to Damascus to the center/center-left. HRC's campaign certainly loved it and thought it essential to highlight. -
Sure. But that's an attack surface all by itself.
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How people like Patrick Lawrence and Stephen Cohen seem to be living in a quite delusional dream world where nothing that Russia has done ought be treated as problematic.
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some kind of deliberate stalking horse. That said, I could be wrong, obvs -on other stuff, I certainly wouldn’t have expected the degree of direct collusion between Trump people and Russians that seems to have emerged. So maybe there is more stuff to come out.
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My intellectual bias/working assumption is that grand plans are pretty uncommon and don’t usually work well when people try them. So I’d expect that Mensch was just one of a number of more or less dodgy Tory political/media types who got a few quid from Murdoch w/o being …
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