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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17

      "Opponents of Russia, who feed public fears that Russian influence is everywhere, may be working as inadvertent force multipliers of paranoia."http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/17/american-democracy-was-asking-for-it/ …

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17

      This @henryfarrell piece was going great until it assigned Mensch to "our" side.pic.twitter.com/wWkcOAqRWQ

      6:09 PM - 17 Jan 2018
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        2. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Casual empiricism would suggest that most of Mensch’s fans are Trump opponents, right?

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17
          Replying to @henryfarrell

          Sure. But she's a Tory and a hoax.

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        4. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I wouldn’t say a hoax, quite, in that I suspect that she is sincerely nuts. Tory, yes, obvs. But her fan club, I think, are anti-trumpets pure and simple. What I am trying to get at there is why there is an audience for her - including among people who are ordinarily quite sane.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17
          Replying to @henryfarrell

          Cernovich is funded by Bannon-tangential entities. Where and to what end did Louise arise from?

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        6. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Cernovich also rose from Gamergate/MRA-arseholery before he attracted wider attention. My first instinct, perhaps wrong, is to see this as an ecosystem rather than a simple product of manipulation. Entirely apart from big funders, there are ecological niches for nutters/grifters

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17
          Replying to @henryfarrell

          I don't think that's right. Louise was still sucking on Murdoch's teat for much of her fandom. So you've got two right wing funders of the hoaxsters.

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        8. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel

          The piece was in part motivated by annoyance at the willingness of people whose politics I mostly agree with to assume that Russia is ubiquitous and sinisterly effective in ways I don’t think it is. But I could quite happily envisage a sister-piece that talked to the other side…

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17
          Replying to @henryfarrell

          I love the piece!! But it is possible 1) we're incredibly vulnerable bc of shit we -- especially the far right -- has done but 2) the RU attack is more complex than people make out.

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        1. brian o brian‏ @obrianobriano Jan 18
          Replying to @emptywheel @henryfarrell

          Perhaps there are more than two sides?

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        1. seenorseems‏ @seenorseems Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel @henryfarrell

          It seems reasonable to assign her that way based on the people that embraced her. Vox wrote an explainer after a Democratic senator retweeted one of her conspiracies:https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/15561842/trump-russia-louise-mensch …

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        1. Reclaim democracy. Vote.Them.Out.‏ @Tryagain5555 Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel @henryfarrell

          Absolutely wrong. Louise, like Trump, probably has no true principle other than grifting. But she was a conservative and worked for Murdoch. I suspect she still does.

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        1. Wizard Bear‏ @WizardBear1 Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel @henryfarrell

          Mensch is definitely NOT on our side. We need to do this the right way: GOTV, support Dem traditional base--Women/POC, vote Dem at all levels and vote the GOP out of controlling Congress in 2018. Mueller also needs to keep on with his work. GOP = Hypocrisy

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        1. tatere. 🦑‏ @tatere Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel @henryfarrell

          That's not our side, that's "let's you & them fight!" sides

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        2. IamSauerKraut‏ @IndictmentHappy Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel @henryfarrell

          Hatch is not in line to "take over." LM clearly a bit clueless on some parts of American politics.

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        3. Yenne7650‏ @Yenne7650 Jan 17
          Replying to @IndictmentHappy @emptywheel @henryfarrell

          No no no you don't understand. He is in line of succession because everybody ahead of him is a Russian spy.

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