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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17

      Wyden says, "I'm particularly troubled that the ... bill doesn't fix the problem of reverse targeting" -- that is, the government using this "foreign" surveillance to monitor Americans without a warrant

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    2. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17

      Wyden seems to suggest reverse targeting "has been abused"

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    3. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17

      Wyden: There is an "underappreciated" problem of the government using secret Section 702 monitoring to undermine #encryption

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    4. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17

      "Under Section 702, the government could direct a service provider" to weaken #encryption without the public ever knowing, says @RonWyden. cc @Robyn_Greene @emptywheel

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    5. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17

      Section 702 could be used to collect "communications the government KNOWS are entirely domestic," Wyden says, emphasizing "knows" twice

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    6. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17

      Wyden seems to suggest this knowing collection of entirely domestic communications arose from "secret law," although I didn't quite catch that

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17
      Replying to @SarahStV_HRW

      We know what that is--well, I do, but apparently people in DC like to ignore it. It's the Tor/VPN exception.

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    8. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I figured -- I've seen you flag that. I thought it was interesting that Wyden decided to highlight it rather prominently.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17
      Replying to @SarahStV_HRW

      He's been highlighting it prominently since last June. And yet [crickets] from our allies. It makes me furious frankly.

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    10. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Oops, sorry -- I thought you were referring to the part about the use of Section 702 to make demands on companies to weaken encryption. I don't know why, since that seems like a distinct issue. I do wonder if the issue of entirely domestic communications is only about Tor/VPN.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17
      Replying to @SarahStV_HRW

      430K Americans use Tor each day. Isn't that enough?

      3:03 PM - 17 Jan 2018
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        2. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Sure, but I've wondered if there are additional aspects of it. Something about Wyden's emphasis on "knowing" collection of "entirely domestic" "communications" calls to mind something potentially even more straightforward.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17
          Replying to @SarahStV_HRW

          It is straightforward. You suck off an exit node. Voila: Foreign traffic, domestic traffic. Weed out the domestic but in the process look for porn, CFAA violators, and BLM.

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        4. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I wouldn't doubt it. From a tactical point of view, though, I'd be a bit surprised if Wyden were going to such lengths to highlight an activity that primarily involved something as strongly associated with CP in the public's mind as Tor. Open to the possibility that I'm wrong.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17
          Replying to @SarahStV_HRW

          And also associated with dissidents. Is it your official position that it's cool NSA is sucking up dissident traffic and deciding whether it's criminal or not on the back side?

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        6. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Of course not. Our view would no doubt be the human rights view that a government interference with privacy violates rights unless it's explicitly authorized by law, necessary, and proportionate (and non-discriminatory)

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        7. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17
          Replying to @SarahStV_HRW @emptywheel

          The NSA grabbing Tor traffic in a way that fails any of those tests wouldn't pass muster with us. The activity would also need to be subject to sufficient independent oversight.

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        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 17
          Replying to @SarahStV_HRW

          Well then, I can't understand your silence. >300 Tor exit nodes were declared Russian indicators of compromise in December 2016, with a seeming preference for those nodes run by noted privacy activists. All that's fair game, as I understand it.

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        9. Sarah St.Vincent‏ @SarahStV_HRW Jan 17
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Do you mean Human Rights Watch per se has been silent about potential NSA surveillance of Tor? If so, that's not intentional, and I'll consider whether we should comment.

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