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    1. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 8
      Replying to @emptywheel @jaketapper

      A correction of your linked article. Not emails "on" Clinton but emails "of" Clinton which would rule out the Wikileaks releases. Also, why not consider an alternative theory that the 7-month delay occurred because P's alleged comment didn't actually trigger the investigation?

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 8
      Replying to @paulsurovell @jaketapper

      You actually appear unaware of some public and non-public aspects of this story, so I'll leave the Clinton comment. Yes, it's possible Pap wasn't deemed that important. It's possible Strzok lost fight over "insurance" policy, & they didn't aggressively pursue during election.

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    3. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 8
      Replying to @emptywheel @jaketapper

      Also possible that the NYT story that the Papadopoulos comment triggered the investigation (displacing the Carter Page explanation) was based on sources who seeking to coverup the dossier's role as trigger of the investigation.

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 8
      Replying to @paulsurovell @jaketapper

      You mean the foreign sources it cites? Why would Australians care?

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    5. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 8
      Replying to @emptywheel @jaketapper

      No, the sources for this:pic.twitter.com/hQfbQ3PjJe

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 8
      Replying to @paulsurovell @jaketapper

      So am I. I, however, have actually looked at how they describe their sources and the other unnamed sources implied by their sourcing statements. You apparently have not.

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    7. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 8
      Replying to @emptywheel @jaketapper

      1 of 2 / I don't purport to have as much info and expertise as you -- in fact I don't have *any* expertise. But there's been enough false reporting to justify consideration of an alternative explanation that the NYT may have been willingly manipulated by

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    8. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 8
      Replying to @paulsurovell @emptywheel @jaketapper

      2 of 2 / sources who wanted to protect the dossier against allegations that it was cause of the investigation.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 8
      Replying to @paulsurovell @jaketapper

      Sure. Except the record suggests something else happened. So to make you're argument you're deliberately ignoring the record.

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    10. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 8
      Replying to @emptywheel @jaketapper

      You haven't shown me what I'm ignoring.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 8
      Replying to @paulsurovell @jaketapper

      Here, I'll teach you. Go to the article and find where the NYT describes its sources. I'll wait.

      9:35 AM - 8 Jan 2018
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        2. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 8
          Replying to @emptywheel @jaketapper

          1of2: Here are the sources that NYT cites when asserting that Papadopoulos, not dossier was trigger of the investigation: Paras 7-8 No sources Para 35 No sources Paras 36-37 "current and former officials" Para 40 "American officials"

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        3. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 8
          Replying to @paulsurovell @emptywheel @jaketapper

          2of2: Tell me why it's unreasonable to surmise that these officials might be one and the same as those officials who sought to prevent the House Intel committee from receiving the documents on the Steele dossier.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 8
          Replying to @paulsurovell @jaketapper

          Partly bc they ID them as officials, often a description for MoC? Also don't ignore the Australian side of this, the foreign officials.

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        5. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 9
          Replying to @emptywheel @jaketapper

          Scott Ritter has a piece out where he says 21,800 of 27,500 emails released by Wikileaks were written *after* Papadopoulos-Mifsud conversation on April 26, suggesting that *all* emails obtained by Wikileaks were accessed by leaker or hacker after April 26http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/in-the-russian-collusion-debate-whos-fooling-who/ …

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 9
          Replying to @paulsurovell @jaketapper

          Yup. And there's an explanation for that that's not yet public. It will be, eventually.

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 9
          Replying to @emptywheel @paulsurovell @jaketapper

          Incidentally, I've noted that timing on multiple occasions. I may have been the first to link to the underlying analysis. But then I've got a pretty good idea about the non-public explanation.

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        8. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 9
          Replying to @emptywheel @jaketapper

          Sorry I don't follow your work as much as I should. Will try to keep up better. But honestly "non-public" explanations don't mean anything to me.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 9
          Replying to @paulsurovell @jaketapper

          That's fine--I don't blame you. I'm going to write a response to Scott's piece. It's actually really interesting for the glaring errors it makes. Thanks for alerting me to it.

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        1. Paul Surovell‏ @paulsurovell Jan 8
          Replying to @emptywheel @jaketapper

          I appreciate that. I'll go back and report back to you shortly.

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