I have trouble accepting a description of Cheney as an "experienced sober politician". He's a cold-hearted, self-absorbed opportunistic demagogue, "experienced" in back-stabbing (& front-shooting), maybe sober, but rabidly partisan hack, to whom honesty is a situational decision.
Stipulated: IF Celebrity Presidents THEN Oprah > Trump Experienced sober politician > celebrity president BUT Experienced sober politician like Cheney can do as much damage as incompetent celebrity president
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Like you said, an experienced politician. He also is, IMO, the best master of DC bureaucracy in recent memory, which is one reason he was so dangerous.
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all true, but deranged; picture of his paranoid cowering in early pages of
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He's a perfect real-life counterpart for Major T. J. "King" Kong, riding that H-Bomb onto the target.
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lets cut the difference and get a politician turned talk show host, bring on Jerry Springer! (too bad he was born in UK)
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Ditto Jennifer Granholm and Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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It is a different kind of damage though at least.
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Nonsense. Cheney paved the way for Trump.
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Yes of course but the order is meaningful. ie Cheney : laws :: Trump : institutions
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If you describe Oprah as "the richest and most successful self-made woman in history" not to mention "dazzlingly inspirational public figure" rather than just "celebrity" the equations change somewhat.
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We don't know enough yet to say whether she'd be a good candidate. But dismissing her as just a celebrity does her a grave injustice. She is a bona fide business mogul with real substantial accomplishments other than fame. She would eat Trump's lunch.
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Many would consider Mike Pence an experienced sober politician. He's an evil person who should never be president.
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I'd exchange or amend devious to "sober" describing Cheney.
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Oprah as a candidate? I'm unconvinced. We need candidates w/ Oprah's heart, Tom Hank's charisma, Natalie Portman's winsome appeal, Stephen Hawking's intellect, Meryl Streep's ability to adopt any persona, Robin William's gift for riffing on any topic, Mother Teresa's patience.
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are you arguing that cheney was sober?
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good news: we have a lot more options to chose from, not just the likes of incompetent like Oprah or competent like Cheney bad news: we also have a lot of stupid ppl who will vote for someone who says the right words, whether or not they are competent
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