Is there a place where you write about non-tribalist take that doesn't ignore evidence? (Not snark.)
I'm not a podcast person, but this one w/@Doranimated & @benjaminwittes is worthwhile.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/lawfare-podcast-through-looking-glass-mike-doran-part-ii …
I disagree with much that both say--I think it's a fair presentation of 2 tribalists ignoring evidence. But doing so civilly.https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/949759041517051904 …
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I write here: https://www.emptywheel.net/
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I'll take a look. Thanks. If there's a specific post that best sums up what I asked, I'd be interested in reading that. If not, I'll just take a loot around. Again, thank you.
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OK thanks!
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I like the official explanation: this is not about the briefing but about how aggressively to investigate. Answer to Q may provide answer to Mike's Q abt FISA as well.
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I listened to the first one and it was intolerable.
@lawfareblog did its listeners a huge disservice by exposing them to@Doranimated. Dude had absolutely nothing of value to contribute. -
I only listened to the second. I think it really important for people to expose themselves to reasoned couterarguments on Trump and Russia and thought Mike qualifies. There's a TON of unreasonable arguments in favor of Trump and Russia, as well.
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1. Agree with listening to counter arguments. However in the first segment, he was arguing disingenuously. His defense of the Trump presidency consisted of how amazing the campaign was, how much the media blows, and how he is an anti-anti Trump....
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Had to take a break halfway through the 2nd part.
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I don't consider that fair. But then I loathe the term whataboutism entirely.
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okay, but honestly when the exchange gets to "sure Flynn lied to the FBI, but her e-mails!" You can understand why one might bail.
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That said,
@lawfareblog is nearly always worth a listen. Next time I'll just remember to pour myself a drink first!
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eh, wittes is at least halfway up to speed, whereas doran is just utterly clueless as to the available body of evidence and timing of events.
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I think it fair to ask whether Flynn would get charged w/o significant underlying evidence of "collusion." And leak of FISA is a big question.
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it is, but that's not the point. if that's the most cogent thing doran can come up with, color me unimpressed.
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It felt more like
@benjaminwittes having a pretty solid read on the way of things and@Dormtainment towing the company line to me but I can’t disagree with the endorsement, good conversationThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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Agreed. I was avoiding it for a while, but it was a productive exercise.
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Which tribe are you saying each is on?
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