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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Tim Shorrock‏Verified account @TimothyS Jan 4

      Meanwhile, while @theintercept and @snowden continued to tout the wonders of Tor, @emptywheel was the only journalist to expose the 2014 exception to surveillance rules that "permit NSA to collect Tor traffic." A responsible publication would report that. https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/10/23/the-senate-intelligence-committee-702-bill-is-a-domestic-spying-bill/ …pic.twitter.com/vIUzhRCWjG

      3 replies 13 retweets 19 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 4
      Replying to @TimothyS @theintercept @Snowden

      For a variety of reasons that's actually not the dig you think it was. 1) This post-dates Snowden, obviously 2) I was going to report this out at The Intercept but for completely unrelated reasons you simply couldn't address did not

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Tim Shorrock‏Verified account @TimothyS Jan 4
      Replying to @emptywheel @theintercept @Snowden

      The fact that they were aware of this loophole and kept touting Tor anyway raises a host of questions for me. I didn't think that segment of your piece was a "dig." The "dig" was all mine. Still, kudos for being the only reporter to nail that story, and for your post today.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 4
      Replying to @TimothyS @theintercept @Snowden

      What evidence do you have about when "they" became aware of the loophole? I'm not sure you understand the nature of the loophole, bc it's not BRANDED to Tor, in any way.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Tim Shorrock‏Verified account @TimothyS Jan 4
      Replying to @emptywheel @theintercept @Snowden

      I think I do - I read your stuff - I know they read it too. They would have been aware the same time your story came out. It explained the loophole quite clearly. Why would anybody actively promoting Tor not report its users might be vulnerable?

      1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 4
      Replying to @TimothyS @theintercept @Snowden

      So you suggest that users use NO traffic obscuring tools?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Tim Shorrock‏Verified account @TimothyS Jan 4
      Replying to @emptywheel @theintercept @Snowden

      Look, I'm not going to give advice. If people want to use a system that's largely funded by the Pentagon & USG through cutouts that include NSA sigint contractors, and has been identified as vulnerable to NSA probing, that's their choice. Mark me down as highly skeptical.

      1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 4
      Replying to @TimothyS @theintercept @Snowden

      So in other words you're backing the products that FBI can get with a relevance standard, just to make a political point. Gotcha.

      2:26 PM - 4 Jan 2018
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        2. Tim Shorrock‏Verified account @TimothyS Jan 4
          Replying to @emptywheel @theintercept @Snowden

          Marcy you are incredibly arrogant and petty when you get annoyed. What you just said is garbage. I'm not backing any "products." That's what The Intercept does. And you, apparently. I'm a journalist, not some techno-hawker. Bye.

          3 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
        3. Pill crystal‏ @Pill_crystal Jan 12
          Replying to @TimothyS @yashalevine and

          I'm not a fan of marcy's but I thought the vulnerability/0day which allowed NSA to identify toe users was actually in Mozilla Firefox

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 12
          Replying to @Pill_crystal @TimothyS and

          Correct. Moreover, the 2014 exception applies to both VPN and Tor, AFAIK. Meaning to choose between a VPN and Tor you're still looking at: 1) Easy LE subpoenas of VPNs but not Tor 2) Other known privacy problems w/shittier VPNs

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @Pill_crystal and

          So to oppose Tor, but not VPNs, based on 2014 exception is BY DEFINITION advocating a product that has two further privacy problems.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Tuomas Kaila‏ @TuomasKaila Jan 5
          Replying to @emptywheel @TimothyS and

          Maybe the stupidest comment of 2018 thus far. Are you serious? Or r u financially compromised?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 5
          Replying to @TuomasKaila @TimothyS and

          You're saying FBI can't get VPN traffic info with a relevance standard? Or you're saying that it's better to use something the FBI can get with a relevance standard than using something they have to hack to get?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Tuomas Kaila‏ @TuomasKaila Jan 5
          Replying to @emptywheel @TimothyS and

          I'm saying your reasoning ("you're pushing non-thor!") is Monty Python level absurd

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Tuomas Kaila‏ @TuomasKaila Jan 5
          Replying to @TuomasKaila @emptywheel and

          Definitely has a (techno)cultist Manichean flavour.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 5
          Replying to @TuomasKaila @TimothyS and

          Because I'm discussing THE LAW? That makes me a techno-cultist? Which do you pick? 1, or 2? Or 3, just letting advertisers steal all your traffic data?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Tuomas Kaila‏ @TuomasKaila Jan 5
          Replying to @emptywheel @TimothyS and

          Before you choose ANYTHINGyou look at the bigger picture&you don't go with manichean narratives

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Tuomas Kaila‏ @TuomasKaila Jan 5
          Replying to @TuomasKaila @emptywheel and

          By your own logic it could be argued that you are promoting child p**** & regime change

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jan 5
          Replying to @TuomasKaila @TimothyS and

          When I use Tor that's not what I use it for. Are you accusing me of using child porn?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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        1. serious political scientist‏ @HongPong Jan 4
          Replying to @emptywheel @TimothyS and

          tor is a pretty good technology but it's not magic, that's probably a good way to look at it

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