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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017

      emptywheel Retweeted Glenn Greenwald

      Not only is this hyperbole ("most humiliating in ages"? hardly!), but it gets the circumstances of what got provided wrong (WikiLeaks didn't publish these files).https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/939514422422319106 …

      emptywheel added,

      Glenn GreenwaldVerified account @ggreenwald
      The U.S. Media Yesterday Suffered its Most Humiliating Debacle in Ages: Now Refuses All Transparency Over What Happened https://theintercept.com/2017/12/09/the-u-s-media-yesterday-suffered-its-most-humiliating-debacle-in-ages-now-refuses-all-transparency-over-what-happened/ …
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      19 replies 50 retweets 192 likes
    2. Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Which specific sentence or claim in the article are you saying is inaccurate?

      2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ggreenwald

      Wikileaks didn't publish the data. It is attributed to Guccifer 2.0 (though that attribution has always been really curious). Wikileaks only published a link to it.

      4 replies 3 retweets 9 likes
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

      I'll write up why it's important in the larger scheme of things later. But given that you're harping on accuracy, it'd pay to be really rigorous here.

      4 replies 2 retweets 19 likes
    5. Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Glenn Greenwald Retweeted Chuck Ross

      Yes, I agree accuracy is important. That's why I'm trying to understand what specific claim or sentence in the story you're referring to that is inaccurate. The article is referring to what everyone referred to: WL's publication on Twitter of the link:https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/939214967210987520 …

      Glenn Greenwald added,

      Chuck Ross @ChuckRossDC
      Here's that Sept. 14, 2016 (not Sept 4) email to Donald Trump Jr. from Michael Erickson. Note the Wikileaks tweet from the day before http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/cnn-botches-major-bombshell-alleging-contacts-between-don-jr-and-wikileaks/ … @dailycaller pic.twitter.com/fxyyFuyW2D
      1 reply 2 retweets 14 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ggreenwald

      The email is inaccurate. Wikileaks didn't, as far as is known, "upload" that information. Guccifer 2.0 is understood to have. It's like the time when Wikileaks got held accountable for doxing a bunch of Turks when @NatSecGeek had uploaded data instead.

      7:53 AM - 9 Dec 2017
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      3 replies 3 retweets 11 likes
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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald @NatSecGeek

          Or when Wikileaks posted a link to Macron leaks emails even while saying it didn't know if they were accurate, and they got blamed rather than the 4Channers who uploaded them.

          1 reply 2 retweets 6 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald @NatSecGeek

          Wikileaks makes a distinction between stuff they've vetted and posted and stuff they link to. This is a link to.

          0 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
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        2. Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @NatSecGeek

          Glenn Greenwald Retweeted WikiLeaks

          I think the only material fact, which is stressed by the article, is that the email CNN pointed to was sent after - not before - WL publicly promoted those docs with a link. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/775823293781794816 … - I think it was clear but changed "published" to "promoted"

          Glenn Greenwald added,

          WikiLeaksVerified account @wikileaks
          678.4 MB of new "DNC documents" from @Guccifer_2 Magnet: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:ED9C54D8CE543F9A45D180FD58B4C56CF2A3FC1E Pass: (GuCCif3r_2.0)
          1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ggreenwald @NatSecGeek

          "promoted" is accurate. Thanks for making the change.

          1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald @NatSecGeek

          And one reason I'm harping on this, btw, is bc I think it is in some ways MORE newsworthy that an email from someone no one can ID promoted 2 RU-linked dumps.

          3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
        5. tryggth‏ @tryggth 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald @NatSecGeek

          It's not this guy?https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/SYWTBAGC …

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        6. Emma Best (ᴜ//ғᴏᴜᴏ)  🏳️‍🌈‏ @NatSecGeek 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @tryggth @emptywheel @ggreenwald

          It is. I IDed him yesterday, and the email was published along with his address confirming the ID.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @NatSecGeek @tryggth @ggreenwald

          Ah, thanks. Hadn't seen that.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. End of conversation
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        2. Emma Best (ᴜ//ғᴏᴜᴏ)  🏳️‍🌈‏ @NatSecGeek 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

          Again, I only re-uploaded it. It was first released by Phineas Fisher and uploaded by Cthulhu in response to WL dropping the files when told not to because Phineas was still in the system grabbing stuff. WL linked to the copy I re-uploaded, which Zeynep then misrepresented.

          1 reply 2 retweets 2 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @NatSecGeek @ggreenwald

          Thanks for clarifying. Mostly just raised it, using shorthand, bc of the uproar that resulted bc of Zeynep's inaccuracy.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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