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    1. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Woah. That would be interesting. Although, Source D has two other claims, the most famous of which was "confirmed" by a certain redacted person referred to as Source E, and a certain Source F.

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    2. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @RadfordKatz @emptywheel

      So in the hypothetical where Akhmetshin was an intermediary, these other sources with non-Akhmetshin intermediaries would have to lie, or their intermediary would. Or Akhmetshin would have to be passing on good info.

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    3. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @RadfordKatz @emptywheel

      Or Akhmetshin would have been the intermediary for the purported Sources D and E and F. I don't believe think that was the case, though. I think those other two had "an ethnic russian company operative" who they talked to.

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @RadfordKatz

      Right: None of Steele's sources are first-hand to him. But again, consider implications of Source D being Agalarov (which is basically who it describes). Why didn't Steele report the June 9 meeting, the most damning evidence currently public?

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @RadfordKatz

      I keep coming back to the silence on the June 9 meeting bc it seems, w/o explaining that, you can't assess the dossier project as a whole. Plus, if either Agalarov or Akhemtshin learned the project, both could tell RU intel, which means it'd be poisoned from the get-go.

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    6. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      In particular, perhaps "poisoned" by Source B, whose interlocutor was apparently discussing the "rumors about a dossier" with him. So if Source B's intermediary was Akhmetshin too... the first dossier memo would basically be Steele getting spun in real-time by Akhmetshin.

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    7. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @RadfordKatz @emptywheel

      Do we have any proof Akhmetshin was in Russia in June? Doubtful that this happened remotely, because the first bullet point says A and B were speaking together to the trusted compatriot. Seems like in-person... And thus, probably, in Russia.

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    8. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @RadfordKatz @emptywheel

      Not sure if that's where you were going with this. You had a larger point, and a very good one. Thanks.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @RadfordKatz

      Yeah, it's that larger point. If Akhmetshin was in on the loop on the dossier, in any way, there's a very good chance RU knew of and poisoned the dossier from the start. Which is consistent w/what Harding said abt Steele's sources.

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    10. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Wait, what? What did Harding say? That they knew? I know he said something like "only one of them knew of Steele directly"... Is that what you mean? You think that person was Source D or his intermediary?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
      Replying to @RadfordKatz

      https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/11/25/how-did-christopher-steele-collect-information-after-sources-dried-up/ …

      7:06 AM - 9 Dec 2017
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        2. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Hm, I don't think Akhmetshin was an intermediary. "A person close to Steele said he had no knowledge of Simpson’s relationship with Akhmetshin and that Akhmetshin was not among the Russians who provided information to Steele for the dossier."https://www.propublica.org/article/who-is-the-russian-lobbyist-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr …

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        3. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @RadfordKatz @emptywheel

          Possible that Akhmetshin could have learned of the dossier from Simpson, since "Simpson and Akhmetshin were in contact and have known each other for a long time, people with direct knowledge of the relationship told me." But it doesn't seem Akhmetshin was an intermediary.

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        4. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @RadfordKatz @emptywheel

          Unless you think the article's sources are lying. Which is remotely possible, but it's not something I am willing to assume without good reason.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @RadfordKatz

          Agree that far.

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        6. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          "The committee cannot really decide the credibility of the dossier without understanding things like who paid for it, who are your source and sub-sources, though we have been incredibly... enlightened, in our ability to rebuild backwards the Steele Dossier up to a certain date"

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        7. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @RadfordKatz @emptywheel

          "... getting past that point has been somewhat impossible. I say that because I don't think there's any intelligence *product* that is going to unlock that key to pre-of-June '16."

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        8. Radford Katz‏ @RadfordKatz 9 Dec 2017
          Replying to @RadfordKatz @emptywheel

          Thats' a quote from Richard Burr, in early October 2017. Did you already know about this? He said "incredibly enlightened"? O_o

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Dec 2017
          Replying to @RadfordKatz

          I did a post focusing on his quest for info on who got paid. Not on the enlightening word choice.

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