Um. You mean like Steele paying RU spies for dirt on Trump? You might want to be very careful how you wave that accusation around.
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Yes, exactly. Every presidential campaign would take dirt about their opponent no matter where it came from, including from big bad dirty foreigners. I don't get why people keep defining it so broadly. (Steele + stuff like this: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 …)
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Did Steele’s sources steal Trump’s emails and give them to Steele and then the whole internet? I guess I missed that.
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This is the problem with these imprecise terms: you can never nail down what the wrongdoing is. I thought the sin was working with foreigners ("colluding") to get dirt on your opponents? That's what Steele did. And these Democrats:https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 …
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It’s a problem with 280 characters, not the word. But yes, context matters. “Colluding” with spies who stole your opponents emails > “colluding” with an oppo researcher > “colluding” with U.S. Bank arena to schedule a rally.
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It’s not my word, I didn’t foist it on to the discourse, but I think people who stridently object to it are being a bit obtuse.
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I think when "collusion" was first being tossed around, it meant: did the Trump campaign criminally conspire with the Russians to hack DNC/Podesta emails? Once people mostly abandoned that line, "collusion" has expanded greatly since then to the point of meaninglessness.
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Some people may have meant it that way. That would be really bad. But lesser forms of collusion (cooperation whatever) are also bad.
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From my perspective, the effort to set the bar at criminal conspiracy has been the Trump tactic, and to dismiss anything under that as normal politics. Reading back on this thread, it’s been an effective tactic!
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But it’s also bullshit. When the trump tower meeting news broke, and Jr. released the emails, basically every operative in politics, including experienced ratfuckers, was blown away.
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And yet ... it's a cover story.
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