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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @brianbeutler @bmaz

      And also a ridiculously bad one bc Trump can and has spent his time disproving collusion as a way to distract from quid pro quo.

      1 reply 1 retweet 18 likes
    2. bmaz‏ @bmaz 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @brianbeutler

      The actual legal truth is actually easier to convey, and, again, broader, than the false meme the Trumpies have posited. There is seriously no reason to further false framing.

      4 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    3. Brian Beutler‏Verified account @brianbeutler 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @bmaz @emptywheel

      The Trumpies didn’t foist the word collusion on anyone, but collusion will still do a good job describing the relationship even if Mueller brings zero conspiracy charges.

      3 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
    4. Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @brianbeutler @bmaz @emptywheel

      What job do you expect "collusion" to perform if Mueller brings no charges alleging it?

      1 reply 0 retweets 12 likes
    5. Brian Beutler‏Verified account @brianbeutler 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ggreenwald @bmaz @emptywheel

      Well, it won’t do anything if people think it’s fine to enlist the help of foreign spies in elections. But if you think that’s scandalous, as I do, then “collusion” is a fine way to describe the relationship, and it remains apt even if no laws were broken.

      5 replies 0 retweets 45 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @brianbeutler @ggreenwald @bmaz

      Um. You mean like Steele paying RU spies for dirt on Trump? You might want to be very careful how you wave that accusation around.

      5 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
    7. Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @brianbeutler @bmaz

      Yes, exactly. Every presidential campaign would take dirt about their opponent no matter where it came from, including from big bad dirty foreigners. I don't get why people keep defining it so broadly. (Steele + stuff like this: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 …)

      7 replies 3 retweets 14 likes
    8. Brian Beutler‏Verified account @brianbeutler 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ggreenwald @emptywheel @bmaz

      Did Steele’s sources steal Trump’s emails and give them to Steele and then the whole internet? I guess I missed that.

      4 replies 1 retweet 70 likes
    9. Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @brianbeutler @emptywheel @bmaz

      This is the problem with these imprecise terms: you can never nail down what the wrongdoing is. I thought the sin was working with foreigners ("colluding") to get dirt on your opponents? That's what Steele did. And these Democrats:https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 …

      4 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    10. Andrew Van Ligten‏ @AVanLigten 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ggreenwald @brianbeutler and

      The problem, in theory, is that they believed they were getting this dirt from individuals representing the Russian government

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Dec 2017
      Replying to @AVanLigten @ggreenwald and

      Where's your proof for that? (I think it will be proven, in spectacular fashion, but that proof is not public yet.)

      9:32 AM - 8 Dec 2017
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        1. Greg Sargent‏Verified account @ThePlumLineGS 8 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @AVanLigten and

          how do you anticipate it being proven?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ThePlumLineGS @AVanLigten and

          Like I said, "spectacular fashion."

          3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Greg Sargent‏Verified account @ThePlumLineGS 8 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @AVanLigten and

          that only makes me more curious

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        4. Andrew Van Ligten‏ @AVanLigten 8 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ThePlumLineGS @emptywheel and

          the papadopolous statement of offense showed he "believed" that he was communicating with 2 people he believed to be connections to or intermediaries of the russian governmentpic.twitter.com/QgCjnSRSgY

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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