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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      Cline; intersection of 2 dynamic areas of law: 4A implications of computers and other devices and FISA, which does away w/traditional notions of probable cause.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      Cline: FISA produced 2 day search, followed by imaging of his computers. Images taken back to lab, reviewed for months, no evidence of foreign intelligence, what was found instead was child porn. Evidence used to obtain ordinary warrant and seized again.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      Cline: Ultimately Gartenlaub prosecuted not for foreign intel, bc not engaged in any, but for child porn. We address Jan 2014 search, derivatively the August search, Jan search really focus.

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      We've never had access to underlying order. When govt went before court, had to argue agent of foreign power. Foreign power had ot have been China. Had to be in principle agent relationship with foreign power. Govt somehow conviced FISC he was in principle agent rel w/China.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      Cline: Disabled from being able to argue, we dispute there was probable cause. Also contend that there are likely to be Franks issues here. There is no evidence, never the case he was functioning as agent of foreign power.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      Cline; This case highlights in most excruciating way tensions bt FISA--the way it's been interpreted--and Franks in absence of disclosure.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      Cline: You can read app all day long and you'll never know if they're true, or if there are material omissions. Scope argument. What happened in this case is exactly scenario that both majority and concurrence in CDT case warned against. Search for particular purpose.

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      Cline: Altho def of FI may be broad, it certainly doesn't cover child pornography. Govt theory is FI info could be hidden anywhere, so we can search everything. Again bc of secrecy, we don't know how they did the search

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      Cline: really doesn't matter if it's done file by file or by hash, keyword. Govt feels it is authorized to search every single file. They do have minimization procedures. Cline: minimization is what you that you've lawfully seized.

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    10. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      Cline: Our arg is search and seizure was unlawful. January, or both? Cline: both, August overwhelming based on January.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

      Wardlaw: What should govt do when it comes across files that are labeled? If you're trading in FI, you're not going to keep it openly there. Cline: In CDT a computer search necessarily involves everything in computer.

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        1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

          Wardlaw: I was on panel. Main problem, CDT authorized to look at Bonds, looked at other baseball players. Here, warrant is any FI data, not narrower than that. Cline: I'm with you. I think it's same principle, To find out if league players was in DB, had to search everything.

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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

          Wardlaw: They argued plain view. Cline: Exactly situation here. [Note, Wardlaw is making a distinction between having to search everything for FI and searching just for bonds files in CDT]

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

          Cline: Problem with that is it converts any search of a computer into a general search. Piersol: Plain view, there they were going thru graphic images. Clearer to agent looking at graphic images. Cline: To extent govt sharing arg with us they're relying on plain view.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

          Piersol: no doubt about that [govt relying on plain view] Gould: under sneak and peek, they get a bunch of files, have to look closely, and they see evidence of another crime, of a serial killer. Are you saying they can't stop killer form proceeding to next victim.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 Dec 2017

          Cline: Concurrence would say they're out of luck. Gould; Govt can't stop serial killer? Cline: other things might kick in; exigent circumstances. As soon as you see something not in scope, you stop, and go get a warrant. [Technically I think they changed minimization procedure]

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