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    1. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017

      Schiff, speaking with his inside voice, makes the point that unmasking is not about 702. He's right, it's not. Said Turner likely misunderstands this. Turner has...taken offense.

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    2. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017

      Here's the thing: Unmasking could affect efforts to ID minimized Americans' communications - but that is NOT where the real privacy invasion is. It's in the vast vast stores of unminimized 702 data that gets routines searched for Americans' communications & used for ALL purposes.

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    3. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017

      Stewart just said that unless you are under investigation, you get a right to privacy. Thats...not how it works at all. The 4th Amendment is literally there to PROTECT people who ARE under investigation to ensure they cannot be harmed w/out sufficient evidence.

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    4. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017

      Thank you @RepAndreCarson for standing up for Americans' rights, calling for additional protections, and criticizing the bill for failing to prohibit "abouts" collection and for not including a strict warrant requirement for U.S. person searches.

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    5. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017

      Gowdy telling Himes he must acknowledge that there were Rs who criticized Trump's wiretapping claims, and notes that HPSCI spent the better part of the last 9mo looking at non-702 related issues, but notes unmasking can be a problem in 702 too.

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    6. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017

      The problem w this argument is that unmasking is like a 0.0001% privacy problem whereas 702 incidental collection and warrantless searches of Americans' communications is like a 1000% privacy problem.

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    7. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017

      Speier says concerns about large-scale incidental collection of Americans' comms and use of those coms in non-nat sec investigations & prosecutions, cites privacy groups' letter that says bill is a step-back on privacy. Bill shared w her office less than 24hrs ago. That's NUTS.

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    8. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017

      Thank you @RepSpeier for defending Americans' privacy, calling for stronger protections to address privacy community's concerns, and for stating your opposition to this troubling bill.

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    9. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017

      It is utter nonsense when Republicans on HPSCI say they are concerned about oversight of unmasking since they don't give a whit about warrantless searches of Americans' communications that occur w such regularity that the FBI says it literally cannot count.

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    10. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017

      .@RepSwalwell just said he would support the bill without the unmasking provision. This is very very bad. He voted to report out an actual reform bill in HJud and just said he'd also happily vote to EXPAND surveillance, not just under 702, but under ALL of FISA.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Robyn_Greene @RepSwalwell

      Can you explain to me how HPSCI expands surveillance? The stuff I saw in the letter is already done (and the informant stuff has been public for years).

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        2. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @RepSwalwell

          1. It codifies practice that goes beyond current law (thus expanding the law if not actual practice) and 2. (even more concerningly) It literally expands who can be targeted under all of FISA w/the FP and AFP definition amendments.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Robyn_Greene @RepSwalwell

          OK, agree the hacking is an expansion. But you do agree that both use against informants (which has been approved by FISC and unclassified for years) and use of Tor (underlying FISC ruling unclassified) are already in place?

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Robyn_Greene @RepSwalwell

          And given that they're already in place and approved by FISC, affirmatively approving in HPSCI only immunizes challenges from defendants (who won't get notice under SJC in any case)?

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Robyn_Greene @RepSwalwell

          This was part of my confusion abt SJC. It does these things too. It's just not honest about it.

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        6. Robyn Greene‏ @Robyn_Greene 1 Dec 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @RepSwalwell

          Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to when you say SJC. SJud never had a bill. It's HPSCI, SSCI, HJud, Lee-Leahy, Paul-Wyden. And that legal distinction is important - so the codification of currently unlawful practice is a big deal. I'm most concerned about FP/AFP though.

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Robyn_Greene @RepSwalwell

          Lee-Leahy. I agree codification is important. Isn't being honest about what the bill actually does so we can fight it? This is why I get so confused, especially having gone years with people telling me the dragnet isn't about informants.

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