Just because they are following orders from their gov doesn't mean that they are not breaking our laws. We may not be able to put them in jail, but at least we're not tacitly giving them the OK by ignoring them.
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Replying to @DavidJBianco @MalwareJake and
Just because Jake was following orders from our gov doesn't mean he wasn't breaking the laws of other countries.
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Replying to @emptywheel @Bing_Chris and
Yes, that's also true,but I'm not sure I see your point. We identified actors behind keyboards. Is it best to just shrug it off?
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Replying to @DavidJBianco @emptywheel and
This is a diplomatic issue, not a criminal one. DOJ assumes that by charging hackers they'll discourage others from wanting to do the work.
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Replying to @MalwareJake @emptywheel and
Yes, and I admit that that assumption is not proven. But I'm also not sure what a real diplomatic solution would look like, or whether it could actually be effective. I think this indictment is a pretty reasonable action, all considered.
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Replying to @DavidJBianco @emptywheel and
It's easy to see indictment as "a pretty reasonable action" when it likely won't happen to you. Are you okay with foreign nations charging US government hackers?
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Replying to @MalwareJake @DavidJBianco and
Have their been cases before of US persons being charged by a foreign govt for cyber espionage? That would be a fascinating read.
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Replying to @JerinSaji0 @MalwareJake and
Iran accuses Americans it catches of that. Like this guy:https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/an-american-is-caught-in-irans-spy-game/2012/01/23/gIQAw8Z3LQ_story.html?utm_term=.a075b598782d …
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Replying to @emptywheel @MalwareJake and
Thank you! Although I do think this is a bit different b/c he [allegedly] was a spy and directly went to Iran and got caught there. Are you aware of any cases of foreign criminal cases involving US hackers stationed in the US? (1/2)
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Replying to @JerinSaji0 @emptywheel and
(2/2) It's interesting to me how I see cases of foreign national hackers being identified and charged for specific cyber operations/espionage but barely nothing involving similar cases with hackers within our IC.
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Right. That's arguably bc we're playing by different rules. RU would say the same happened when we arrested their version of Erik Prince, Viktor Bout.
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Replying to @emptywheel @MalwareJake and
Fascinating! I hadn't heard of him. Do you think something like this has to happen for a diplomatic talk and agreement to happen? I was under the impression that some of the talks as a follow-up to the APT1 report was to do exactly this - establish the rules of cyber espionage.
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