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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Susan Hennessey‏Verified account @Susan_Hennessey 27 Nov 2017

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      Failure of cyberops against ISIS is a significant sore spot within DOD. But also important to question whether the expectations were ever realistic or achievable. https://twitter.com/sultanofcyber/status/934586903780839427 …

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 27 Nov 2017
      Replying to @Susan_Hennessey

      I'd love to see some posts on that--it seems like an important policy question on our expectations for cyber.

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    3. Susan Hennessey‏Verified account @Susan_Hennessey 27 Nov 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      It's a topic that deserves exploration. One issue is there aren't many primary source public docs yet on it. Need some FOIA or congressional inquiries to shake enough loose to spark the conversation.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 27 Nov 2017
      Replying to @Susan_Hennessey

      How do you define the "it" there? One thing Carter doesn't seem to mention is that intel streams in other places -- not ISIS -- might have been put at risk if cybercom did more attacks.

      5:49 AM - 27 Nov 2017
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        2. Aaron Hughes‏ @agh382 27 Nov 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Susan_Hennessey

          As the policy guy at the time I am obviously biased but think that Carter is taken a bit out of context here. There was never a need for any exquisite/flashy cyber weapon or technique against ISIS ala “Stuxnet”. Ops were dictated by OIR needs. Full stop. cc @sultanofcyber

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 27 Nov 2017
          Replying to @agh382 @Susan_Hennessey @sultanofcyber

          What do you mean? What should be have been doing?

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        4. Aaron Hughes‏ @agh382 27 Nov 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Susan_Hennessey @sultanofcyber

          We didnt need “fancy” cyber weapons/techniques to support OIR objs. Not to mention the premise of executing cyber ops for cyber sake is a failing scenario. Policy quagmire arises (ie unmet expectations) when we treat cyber differently from other domains of warfare

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 27 Nov 2017
          Replying to @agh382 @Susan_Hennessey @sultanofcyber

          We should have been hacking rather than thinking of a cyber bomb, you mean?

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