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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Nov 2017

      emptywheel Retweeted Kenneth P. Vogel

      I bet Vladimir Putin made Tom Brady wear that Make America Great Hat, too.https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/932306822115004423 …

      emptywheel added,

      Kenneth P. VogelVerified account @kenvogel
      .@Ovi8, who friends say is politically oblivious, is being used by the Kremlin to push back on claims that Putin’s popularity is inflated, US officials say. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/us/politics/alexander-ovechkin-capitals-putin.html …
      1 reply 11 retweets 30 likes
    2. Gary Parsons‏ @SF_Gary_ 19 Nov 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      The existence of 62 million Americans who are dumb enough to support Trump w/o foreign meddling doesn't negate the problem of Russia trying to influence 100K more, and whether that was decisive doesn't mean Trump isn't beholden.

      1 reply 3 retweets 3 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Nov 2017
      Replying to @SF_Gary_

      Thanks. Did you mean to reply to a different tweet, one which that sentiment was on point to?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Gary Parsons‏ @SF_Gary_ 19 Nov 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      The reference to Brady implied, to me, that homegrown support for Trump meant Putin's meddling was innocuous.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Nov 2017
      Replying to @SF_Gary_

      Gotcha. It was meant to be an analogy that noted we let our own stars engage in stupid political support, even for douchebags like Trump, without the same kind of scrutiny. And often for the same reason: because top athletes and top--whatever Trump is--travel the same circles.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Gary Parsons‏ @SF_Gary_ 19 Nov 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I get your analogy. I also think there are a lot of pundits who downplay Putin's meddling by saying it didn't swing the election. I perceived a connection.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Nov 2017
      Replying to @SF_Gary_

      I think there are a lot of commentators who apply standards to RU w/o self-awareness that similar things happen in our own country.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Gary Parsons‏ @SF_Gary_ 19 Nov 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      We have one of the most dreadful histories of any country in the world. Iranians and Filipinos should hate our guts, for example. But that doesn't mean we should give Putin a pass. It doesn't work that way.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Nov 2017
      Replying to @SF_Gary_

      Can you link where I said that? But as we assess what happened with this and past elections, ignoring what the GOP did to tamper w/orders of magnitude more money won't do any good.

      11:04 AM - 19 Nov 2017
      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Gary Parsons‏ @SF_Gary_ 19 Nov 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I think this thread serves as a "how can we blame Putin when we already suck" exercise, in an environment where we desperately need to face Putin's meddling in US affairs.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Nov 2017
          Replying to @SF_Gary_

          Huh. So you're suggesting we're not facing Putin's meddling but are undertaking substantive efforts to deal w/GOP election tampering?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Gary Parsons‏ @SF_Gary_ 19 Nov 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I'm suggesting we're not doing either, that we will never do either, and that caring about one of those things doesn't mean less attention is paid to the other. I don't think RU meddling should be downplayed.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Nov 2017
          Replying to @SF_Gary_

          Huh. We've got 4 different investigations into Putin's interference and a NYT article attacking a sports star for not being sufficiently critical of his President.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Gary Parsons‏ @SF_Gary_ 19 Nov 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Sounds appropriate. We should have even more attention on the GOPs shameful vote suppression but that doesn't mean the attention on the Russia meddling is over the top.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Nov 2017
          Replying to @SF_Gary_

          So you're changing your position now and admitting that there is attention on RU meddling. OK. Thanks.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        8. Gary Parsons‏ @SF_Gary_ 19 Nov 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I said some pundits downplay it. I'll stand by that, as will your timeline.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Nov 2017
          Replying to @SF_Gary_

          The timeline that you misinterpreted to impose your own judgement that you've just revised? That timeline? I'm convinced; Putin's tampering is causing cognitive rot in America and we need to reverse that.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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