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P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 10 Nov 2017

P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡ Retweeted Julian Sanchez

I think a lot of this is that to *readers* the editorial / investigative / validation process is mostly invisiblehttps://twitter.com/normative/status/929070102481395713 …

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Julian Sanchez @normative

To any sane person who’s worked in journalism, the idea that the Washington Post would conspire to fabricate a story like this is plainly ridiculous. But an unsettling number of Americans now seem to find it plausible.

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P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 10 Nov 2017

And so it hard to explain they WaPo or NYT have a journalistic process that is meaningfully different to …http://garbage-that-supports-my-confirmation-bias.com

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P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 10 Nov 2017

To give you an example: a half dozen stories I've seen in NYT or WaPo were open secrets among major outlets for months prior to reporting

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P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 10 Nov 2017

The Steele Dossier floated around major outlets from about September last year. It didn't come out until Jan *because* validating it is hard.

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P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 10 Nov 2017

But because readers can't see the difference between WaPo's "I have 3 sources" and DumpsterFireNews' "I have no sources but say I have 3", it's a real problem.

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P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 10 Nov 2017

And sort of by definition, you don't see the stories that don't make it.

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P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 10 Nov 2017

Another example: the Gulen kidnap story? Been going round at several major news orgs since AT LEAST August that I know of. It's now mid-November.

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P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 10 Nov 2017

The time between is journos at WSJ and elsewhere needing to go from "wow thats a hell of an allegation" to "we have the sources and evidence to prove it"

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P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 10 Nov 2017

Eventually society needs to find ways to let readers distinguish real journalism from some of the modern confirmation-bias factories. Because journalism is hard and expensive, and will die if users can't or don't distinguish them.

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P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 10 Nov 2017

Or the alfabank DNS story. Half a dozen news outlets picked it up. All ran it to ground, eventually concluding nothing there. Salon ran it, but it wasn't a scoop. It was them not running it to ground.

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