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    1. Calabrin‏ @B_Delach 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @sphericaltime and

      What I primarily see are attempts to rationalize and move the goalposts.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @B_Delach @sphericaltime and

      Yes, Bertrand undoubtedly did do that. Again, there were SPECIFIC allegations in the dossier. You (and Betrand) are now saying, Welp, other facts that happened in the general vicinity are exactly the same. Truth doesn't work like that. But Alex Jones does.

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    3. Calabrin‏ @B_Delach 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @sphericaltime and

      No, no, no. YOU are moving the goalposts. I appreciate your attempt at being deliberately obtuse, though. All I said was that parts of the dossier have been confirmed, then you tried to move the goalposts by insisting that the most damning parts have not yet been confirmed.

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    4. Calabrin‏ @B_Delach 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @B_Delach @emptywheel and

      I didn’t specify which parts had been confirmed, only that some of it had. You can rationalize all you want so long as you’re aware that you are, indeed, rationalizing.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @B_Delach @sphericaltime and

      I'm asking you for a single one from that article. Again, what it shows is that the CENTRAL ALLEGATIONS against Page are, if he is to be believed, FALSE. Which is the opposite of truth, in case you're catching up.

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    6. Calabrin‏ @B_Delach 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @sphericaltime and

      Ok. Here you go. This goes more in depth in terms of items mentioned in the dossier that later proved true, notably Russia’s hacking efforts to influence the election.http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/09/a_lot_of_the_steele_dossier_has_since_been_corroborated.html …

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @B_Delach @sphericaltime and

      And here's the very lengthy piece where I point out that ESPECIALLY wrt hacking, that piece is a shitshow and ALSO violates key rules about evidence wrt intel analysis. https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/09/06/john-siphers-garbage-post-arguing-the-steele-dossier-isnt-garbage/ …

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    8. Calabrin‏ @B_Delach 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @sphericaltime and

      Sorry, did you just cite yourself as a credible source? Credible citations do not work that way.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @B_Delach @sphericaltime and

      No. I pointed to a piece that laid out a side by side chronology that showed that IN EVERY SINGLE hack-and-leak post the dossier trailed actual events, often by months.

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    10. Calabrin‏ @B_Delach 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @sphericaltime and

      What is the source of your timeline, upon which your entire argument hinges? Hacking wasn’t widely reported until January of 2017, yet you are claiming this was public knowledge much earlier than the 6-months prior timeline of the dossier.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @B_Delach @sphericaltime and

      Source of timeline: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html … Source that RU had had success hitting major NATO targets: http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-russian-hackers-target-the-pentagon … https://labsblog.f-secure.com/2015/09/17/the-dukes-7-years-of-russian-cyber-espionage/ … First 2 are links in the post -- you might try that? You should definitely check out the first one. It'll rattle your brain.

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        2. Calabrin‏ @B_Delach 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @sphericaltime and

          This first link is the dossier, itself. I’m asking you where your timeline is coming from, given your allegations that this information was public “months” before the details in the dossier.

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        3. Calabrin‏ @B_Delach 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @B_Delach @emptywheel and

          The second link (Daily Beast) is incredibly vague, and hardly constitutes “widespread coverage of Russian hacking.” It seems to me are you trying really hard to connect dots that aren’t necessarily correlated — or weren’t at the time.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @B_Delach @sphericaltime and

          The other one, btw, is what FBI expected DNC to find when they told them, around the time report came out and was widely reported, to Google "the Dukes."

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @B_Delach and

          But you realize you're now saying, "Golly, that crack MI6 agent shouldn't be expected to do as thorough a job as using The Google or asking actual cybersecurity experts"?

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        6. Calabrin‏ @B_Delach 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @sphericaltime and

          I’m not saying that at all and that is an obvious strawman. Obviously, any intelligence agent or journalist should be held to incredibly high standards. My point is merely that I see little to no evidence refuting anything substantial in the dossier.

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @B_Delach @sphericaltime and

          Remember: You are trying to prove that SOMETHING, some one thing (things that weren't publicly reported, like Page's trip) has proven true.

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        8. Calabrin‏ @B_Delach 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @sphericaltime and

          Yes. The dossier was the first mention of widespread Russian meddling in the election. That has been proven true. Steele couldn’t have known about that through public sources prior to June of 2016. Russia’s efforts to undermine NATO in this manner was not publicly known.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @B_Delach @sphericaltime and

          YOU ARE BATSHIT CRAZY. Steele's first report was June 20. The WaPo had a very big story on June 14 that said RUSSIANS HACKED DNC. Which is why the Steele dossier is so stupid.

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