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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017

    Observation: A year ago most Dems swore all massive leaks from unknown sourcing were bad. Care to reconsider in light of Paradise Papers?

    6:26 AM - 6 Nov 2017
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      1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017

        Do think there is difference bt ICIJ & WL. Not clear there is between ICIJ & Intercept. But people should have some basis for distinguishing

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      2. JJ‏ @JohJustin 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

        Targeting/leaking of someone’s personal emails by a government is entirely different than Panama papers, but sure, keep up your narrative.

        3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @JohJustin @ggreenwald

        In my next tweet I make it clear I was comparing ICIJ and Snowden journalism. Also, where did PP come from?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. JJ‏ @JohJustin 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

        Sorry paradise papers. And with your clarification, makes more sense. I lean Dem and had no problem with Snowden leaks.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @JohJustin @ggreenwald

        Yeah, my ultimate goal is to note that we need a real discussion abt what we expect journos to do w/big dumps from known & unknown sources.

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @JohJustin @ggreenwald

        I'm happy abt the PP leaks, but find it remarkable that it's the 3rd in a row of dubious provenance and no one finds that curious.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      7. JJ‏ @JohJustin 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

        @OCCRP have been doing other leaks exposing money laundering in former stans/Eastern Europe of similar concept.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Leaks are not the same as hacks because done by a whistleblower.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @jeffhauser

        emptywheel Retweeted emptywheel

        1) This tweet was a followup describing my point. https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/927543201333997571 … 2) Do you know how ICIJ got the PP docs?

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        emptywheel @emptywheel
        Do think there is difference bt ICIJ & WL. Not clear there is between ICIJ & Intercept. But people should have some basis for distinguishing
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      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser

        Also, how do you feel abt Bradley Foundation hack and leak?https://projects.jsonline.com/news/2017/5/5/hacked-records-show-bradley-foundation-taking-wisconsin-model-national.html …

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      5. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I know less about this than I should, but I am sure I support criminal prosecution. Hacking is illegal.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. IAmComplicit‏ @AgeDemands 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @jeffhauser @emptywheel

        I've got mixed feelings. Not about the hacking (which is illegal) but about using the materials. Are we "by any means necessary"?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AgeDemands @jeffhauser

        I actually don't know what answer is--it's really, really complicated. But I do think people need to be more honest abt the leaks they love

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      8. IAmComplicit‏ @AgeDemands 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser

        I'm concerned about the veracity of any "leaked" doc, (they can be verified by the source.) What if these leaks are "the only means"?

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Jeremiah Rappel 🤔‏ @JeremiahRappel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Except, Wilbur Ross admitted to having off shore accounts today.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @JeremiahRappel

        Not disputing, at all, value of Paradise Papers. I'm saying that we all should understand better how journos should deal w/big dumps.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @JeremiahRappel

        Especially since provenance of PP is even more questionable than Snowden's.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. The Walgreens Costume Aisle but for Tweets‏ @PETEKEELEY 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

        Care to reconsider this ridiculous straw man?

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @PETEKEELEY @ggreenwald

        Care to explain why it is one? Thus far everyone who has tried has either betrayed ignorance or supported my point.

        2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
      4. The Walgreens Costume Aisle but for Tweets‏ @PETEKEELEY 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @ggreenwald

        Sure. Let’s start with the “most Dems swore” generalization. Then let’s jump to “all leaks” from “Russian-hacked docs to influence election”

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Nov 2017
        Replying to @PETEKEELEY @ggreenwald

        Oops. You see, the comparison is Snowden docs to ICIJ (with the latter's unknown provenance). Try again.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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