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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 25 Oct 2017
      Replying to @AaronSundance @drogon_dracarys

      What do you mean by "angle"? He was paid to find dirt on Trump. Is that an angle?

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    2. Lodestar Runner‏ @AaronSundance 25 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @drogon_dracarys

      No, Steele’s involvement seems straightforward and above board. But for Veselnitskaya Trump wouldn’t have been the client, but the product.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 25 Oct 2017
      Replying to @AaronSundance @drogon_dracarys

      Steele wasn't paid to exchange dirt, just like Veselnitskaya was? Again, where did the dirt come from? Say it.

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    4. Lodestar Runner‏ @AaronSundance 25 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @drogon_dracarys

      Are you saying you think Veselnitskaya was seeking Trump as a *client*? Because that is not at all how I read that story.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 26 Oct 2017
      Replying to @AaronSundance @drogon_dracarys

      Veselnitskaya was seeking exchange of RU intel sourced info for something else. So was Steele. Steele is only one we know who got his goal

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    6. Lodestar Runner‏ @AaronSundance 26 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @drogon_dracarys

      And Baby Face Nelson just withdrew money from a bank, like any other Joe, if you strip away all the moral and legal context.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 26 Oct 2017
      Replying to @AaronSundance @drogon_dracarys

      Which is precisely what Dems were doing w/ initial reports of TT meeting. So thanks for making my point.

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    8. Lodestar Runner‏ @AaronSundance 26 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @drogon_dracarys

      If your critique is simply that some Dems were premature in calling collusion, why did you effectively endorse Fleischer’s Tweet below?pic.twitter.com/GOucJoYjiw

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 26 Oct 2017
      Replying to @AaronSundance @drogon_dracarys

      Because that's precisely the standard Dems have adopted at times of this, because they're idiots?

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    10. Lodestar Runner‏ @AaronSundance 26 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @drogon_dracarys

      Jesus, I agree with you on that basic point, but the way you are presenting it makes it sound like you think Fleischer may be correct.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 26 Oct 2017
      Replying to @AaronSundance @drogon_dracarys

      Ahem. The post says that BC of idiotic standards Dems have employed they have earned that from Fleischer. Two wrongs and all that.

      6:34 AM - 26 Oct 2017
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        2. Drogon‏ @drogon_dracarys 26 Oct 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @AaronSundance

          Indeed we're the ones who say words have meaning? Throwing out terms w no evidence is stupid when your opponent thinks words have no meaning

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        3. Drogon‏ @drogon_dracarys 26 Oct 2017
          Replying to @drogon_dracarys @emptywheel @AaronSundance

          I appreciated the essay & thought had great nuisance. This group think w no nuisance is not good & obv not limited to ppl on the right.

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        2. Lodestar Runner‏ @AaronSundance 26 Oct 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @drogon_dracarys

          Even ignoring your somewhat novel interpretation of “two wrongs don’t make a right” Fleischer’s tweet is singularly indefensible, though.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 26 Oct 2017
          Replying to @AaronSundance @drogon_dracarys

          Sure. And so were Dem attacks. ESPECIALLY given that the Dems were also exchanging something of value for info from FSB.

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        4. Lodestar Runner‏ @AaronSundance 26 Oct 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @drogon_dracarys

          Bad judgment vs. bad faith. Dems saw Trump had motive, prior relationships, pattern of behavior pointing to collusion. Fleischer sees what?

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 26 Oct 2017
          Replying to @AaronSundance @drogon_dracarys

          So did Dems. Collusion as defined by them was trading things of value for info from FSB. Bingo. Collusion.

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 26 Oct 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @AaronSundance @drogon_dracarys

          You seem to be operating on "Dems are good people and Trump is bad so it's okay for Dems to give a legal firm things of value for FSB info"

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        7. Lodestar Runner‏ @AaronSundance 26 Oct 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @drogon_dracarys

          No, I’m operating on Trump had motive, prior relationships, had a pattern of soliciting and *using* Russian aid including illegal measures.

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        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 26 Oct 2017
          Replying to @AaronSundance @drogon_dracarys

          Such as?

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        9. Lodestar Runner‏ @AaronSundance 26 Oct 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @drogon_dracarys

          And more importantly Putin and his associates had ample motive to aid Trump and to harm Clinton. You know all this. So does Fleischer.

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