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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Oct 2017

      Reup: I don't think Ryan Lin case proves (or disproves) that PureVPN keeps logs. https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/10/09/purevpn-doesnt-need-to-keep-logs-given-how-many-google-keeps/ …

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    2. Alexander Hanff‏ @alexanderhanff 9 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      It does say "records from PureVPN" which would certainly suggest they had DHCP or similar records/logs...

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    3. Alexander Hanff‏ @alexanderhanff 9 Oct 2017
      Replying to @alexanderhanff @emptywheel

      They can't really be "from PureVPN" if they didn't have them, could they. "Records" also suggests historical data... just my opinion.

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Oct 2017
      Replying to @alexanderhanff

      In the post I suggest they used a PRTT. Which doesn't involve stored logs. And no, I don't think records has to mean historic.

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    5. Alexander Hanff‏ @alexanderhanff 9 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Also buried in their terms and conditions PureVPN actually say they do keep records from what I have seen in the coverage of this story

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Oct 2017
      Replying to @alexanderhanff

      They certainly will respond to a legal request of an order/warrant. As will anyone else in the US, I think.

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    7. Alexander Hanff‏ @alexanderhanff 9 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I suppose the obvious way to find out is... Hey @PureVPN do you log any data or keep any records including access logs, be honest now?

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Oct 2017
      Replying to @alexanderhanff @purevpn

      emptywheel Retweeted

      @josephfcox asked that the other day. https://twitter.com/josephfcox/status/916321986174996480 …

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @alexanderhanff and

      Session logs WOULD get the two incoming IP addresses.

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    10. Alexander Hanff‏ @alexanderhanff 9 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @purevpn @josephfcox

      I did read your analysis though and I do think you make good points on the face of the affy.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Oct 2017
      Replying to @alexanderhanff @purevpn @josephfcox

      That's all I was trying to do--as I note 2X, it doesn't rule it out. Wanted to emphasize that FBI likely able to get more prospectively.

      12:07 PM - 9 Oct 2017
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        1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Oct 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @alexanderhanff and

          So any denial abt what VPN "keeps" is in no way a denial of making prospective records available with legal process, which they say they do

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        1. Alexander Hanff‏ @alexanderhanff 9 Oct 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @purevpn @josephfcox

          as always, your analysis offered a solid objective view and I appreciate you taking the time to write it

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