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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I thought raw Title I/702 FISA database is separate frm raw 12333 both bc of the sharing guidelines & to keep FISC oversight away frm latter

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @charlie_savage

      There's really not that much oversight over FBI 702 in first place. And this is all part of the parallel construction machine 12333>702>TI

      1 reply 2 retweets 1 like
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @charlie_savage

      What database did they put the Stellar Wind leads in?

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @charlie_savage

      Another reason I suspect they're in same place is for same reason that 215 phone dragnet queries included SPCMA: to get around FISA rules.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @charlie_savage

      Adding -- exact parallel with 215/SPCMA and FISA might apply here: it might be in same federated query but access controlled by training.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      That would make more sense than commingling, as it's just not in their nature to accept externally imposed rules where not necessary

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    7. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @charlie_savage @emptywheel

      Maybe wrong but I thnk sharing guidelines prohibit queries by agents working run-of-mill criminal cases frm pinging raw 12333 sigint content

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @charlie_savage

      Sure, but even if that's the case, it can be accomplished by tying access to training, as it is everywhere else.

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    9. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      To clarify I think even if Agent X is trained for raw 12333 sigint, if she queries a USP for routine crime case, it can't ping that database

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    10. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @charlie_savage @emptywheel

      because she has no articulable reason to believe that FI or CI will be obtained by her use of that USP selection term.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Oct 2017
      Replying to @charlie_savage

      1) How many Agents do you know who work both routine crime and NatSec cases that would given them 12333 access

      9:52 AM - 8 Oct 2017
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        1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Oct 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @charlie_savage

          2) I think the logic is that if a USP shows up in raw feeds, that *by its very nature* becomes CI/FI information.

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