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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I vote every year and I wish my co-pays were lower.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Justin_Vogt

      "How affordable" =/= "whether you'd like them to be lower." Do you forgo necessary care bc you can't afford them?

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @Justin_Vogt

      But, in any case, your voting record, by itself, is why you're not the audience here.

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    4. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I hear you. But I suspect many ppl who don't vote and/or don't have good employer-based coverage will also be uneasy abt lack of details.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Justin_Vogt

      Given that one of things they loathe right now is how many details they have I sort of doubt it. One reason Medicare works is fewer details.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @Justin_Vogt

      But I admire your certainty that people who can't afford care would prefer some wonk lecturing about what they can't have.

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    7. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I don't have much certainty about any of this and have expressed very little.

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Justin_Vogt

      Ah. OK. Well, I suspect, based on details about ACA as implemented, that "more details" is not what sells stuff like this.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @Justin_Vogt

      In fact, Trump managed to win against all odds by offering almost no details about his policy proposals.

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    10. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      But that comparison is interesting. Obama and Trump both won. But detailed ACA passed and detail-free Trumpcare failed.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Justin_Vogt

      Detailed ACA passed and was an anchor on Dems, including right before Trump's election, until people faced losing it.

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        1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Justin_Vogt

          And detailed ACA with Medicare buy-in could have passed using reconciliation in first go-around.

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        2. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Good point. But, still: it passed, and it has survived, and it represents a major improvement over status quo ante, I think.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Justin_Vogt

          For those who aren't forced to pay 9% of their income for health insurance they can't afford to use, I guess. That's not you, though.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Justin_Vogt

          That, btw, was a known detail going into ACA: 16-20% of people would still not be able to bc able to access CARE bc of costs.

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        5. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Right.

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Justin_Vogt

          Which, again, we know is one of the things that led ACA to be less popular than it could be. Likewise was perception of unfair access.

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Justin_Vogt

          Medicare for all fixes both of those things. Does Chait have a fix to both of those things, or just Overton policing?

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