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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Fair enough. I guess he could respond, "The debate has already shifted. The next step, legislation, requires details, and this falls short."

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Justin_Vogt

      And any half-sentient rock could respond, "legislation requires a majority, and we don't win those when we run without inspiring ideas."

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Makes sense. But inspiration is in the eye of the beholder; the lack of details here is, to me, uninspiring.

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Justin_Vogt

      And your insurance currently comes from...?

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    5. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Like roughly half of Americans, I pay for it via a plan negotiated for me and offered to me by my employer.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Justin_Vogt

      So yeah you're not the audience here. But I'm glad you like our failed health insurance-not-care system.

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    7. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Oh.

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Justin_Vogt

      Again, I notice you didn't talk about how often you vote or how affordable co-pays are for you.

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    9. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I vote every year and I wish my co-pays were lower.

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    10. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Justin_Vogt

      "How affordable" =/= "whether you'd like them to be lower." Do you forgo necessary care bc you can't afford them?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @Justin_Vogt

      But, in any case, your voting record, by itself, is why you're not the audience here.

      11:02 AM - 13 Sep 2017
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        2. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I hear you. But I suspect many ppl who don't vote and/or don't have good employer-based coverage will also be uneasy abt lack of details.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Justin_Vogt

          Given that one of things they loathe right now is how many details they have I sort of doubt it. One reason Medicare works is fewer details.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Justin_Vogt

          But I admire your certainty that people who can't afford care would prefer some wonk lecturing about what they can't have.

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        5. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I don't have much certainty about any of this and have expressed very little.

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Justin_Vogt

          Ah. OK. Well, I suspect, based on details about ACA as implemented, that "more details" is not what sells stuff like this.

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Justin_Vogt

          In fact, Trump managed to win against all odds by offering almost no details about his policy proposals.

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        8. Justin Vogt‏ @Justin_Vogt 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          But that comparison is interesting. Obama and Trump both won. But detailed ACA passed and detail-free Trumpcare failed.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Justin_Vogt

          Detailed ACA passed and was an anchor on Dems, including right before Trump's election, until people faced losing it.

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