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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @VessOnSecurity and

      You DO know that the FBI routinely arrests people to coerce them for information unrelated to charge at hand?

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    2. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @lorenzofb @MalwareTechBlog

      MWT was already providing them with info before arrest. Are you implying that he was involved in Kelihos somehow or what?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @VessOnSecurity @lorenzofb @MalwareTechBlog

      No... You DID read this right?

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @VessOnSecurity and

      I'm suggesting that looking at "WannaCry sinkhole" w/stuff they had on MWT is different than "Kronos" w/stuff they had on him.

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    5. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @lorenzofb @MalwareTechBlog

      So is the theory that he was involved with WannaCry? Or that when they looked him up then, they found something Kronos-related?

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @VessOnSecurity @lorenzofb @MalwareTechBlog

      No. One possibility: 1) They look at stuff to see IF he is involved. 2) IN THAT CONTEXT they see Kronos + Kelihos.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @VessOnSecurity and

      3) Kronos + Kelihos (RU criminal hackers tied to some other shit) + WannaCry looks vastly different that Kronos AlphaBay purchase

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @VessOnSecurity and

      That said, I also point out that they may be interested in him for stuff that's not in the indictment at all, but which came up.

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    9. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @lorenzofb @MalwareTechBlog

      So, you think he was involved in one of these (Kronos, Kelihos, WannaCry, something else), and it came up when they looked him up?

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    10. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @VessOnSecurity @emptywheel and

      And that it was substantial enough for them to believe they can win a court case?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
      Replying to @VessOnSecurity @lorenzofb @MalwareTechBlog

      I think they may have miscalculated, honestly. I think the Kronos case may be fragile (but possible superseding might not be).

      8:03 AM - 7 Sep 2017
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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @VessOnSecurity and

          But what normally happens for someone in MWT's position is 1) they're denied bail 2) they don't get superb attorneys. That changes things.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @VessOnSecurity and

          Or, at the very least, they're denied their ability to access computers and make a living. That's why 98% of US cases end in plea agreements

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @VessOnSecurity and

          In any case, what I tried to do was explain that FBI is not saying "Kronos thus arrest." They're saying "MWT WannaCry guy=online footprint"

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        5. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 7 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @lorenzofb @MalwareTechBlog

          OK, you don't have anything new, you don't have a sound theory, you don't know any more than us. I've wasted my time reading this article.

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
          Replying to @VessOnSecurity @lorenzofb @MalwareTechBlog

          You're familiar with how back door searches work?

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        7. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 7 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @lorenzofb @MalwareTechBlog

          Yes, I am also familiar that spooks-collected info is now shared and can be use by the US law enforcement.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
          Replying to @VessOnSecurity @lorenzofb @MalwareTechBlog

          And you're familiar that 98% of indictments end in plea agreements and therefore don't have to be proven in court?

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Sep 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @VessOnSecurity and

          And that FBI routinely uses that fact to accomplish other objectives that have nothing to do with charged crimes?

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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