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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017

    emptywheel Retweeted Laurence Tribe

    Wonder what part of Tribe's Constitutional law curriculum covers quashing legit questions abt a politician's past actions?https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/894704980053118976 …

    emptywheel added,

    Laurence TribeVerified account @tribelaw
    .@SenSanders: Do you reject supporters' attacks on @KamalaHarris for being too cozy with Wall Street to count as a true progressives or not?
    5:25 PM - 7 Aug 2017
    • 51 Retweets
    • 108 Likes
    • hazard arising from a conflict that has killed DefundMilitary,AbolishCIA&ICE ☭ ⛧ αναγέννησις ⛧ ☭ Meadow chicaboomedic 🌹🎃👻 Spooky DSA 💀🎃🌹 ☭🌹🎃💀 Self-exiled to the Taiga ☯☮ Garcia Millennial 🌹 Jeaneanne
    15 replies 51 retweets 108 likes
      1. New conversation
      2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Maybe @tribelaw teaches the Constitution pre-17th Amendment, from the era when citizens were too stupid to evaluate Senators themselves?

        4 replies 14 retweets 27 likes
      3. The Dude‏ @iDudeness 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @tribelaw

        well, at least you're punching up.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @iDudeness @tribelaw

        I consider responding to anyone who is so disdainful of democracy as punching down, admittedly. A truly shameful stance.

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      5. The Dude‏ @iDudeness 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @tribelaw

        I don't begrudge Tribe or Dersh for speaking their minds. I don't see either man as 'shameful' in any way.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @iDudeness @tribelaw

        I have zero problem if Tribe wants to make a robust case for Kamala Harris. None. But that's not what he did.

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. End of conversation
      1. New conversation
      2. OC‏ @OhioCitizen 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @IronCurtaiNYC

        He's talking politics,not law here. It's a good question too.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @OhioCitizen @IronCurtaiNYC

        Him talking politics would be to say, here's why I think Harris is a superb candidate. What he did instead was deploy a shoddy caricature.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @OhioCitizen @IronCurtaiNYC

        And that caricature showed a deep disdain for democracy.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. OC‏ @OhioCitizen 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @IronCurtaiNYC

        Bullshit. That's your biased opinion. It's silly. A deep disdain for democracy? Hahahahaha hahahahahaha. How deep? How do you measure?😂

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @OhioCitizen @IronCurtaiNYC

        I like to take each voters' views on own. I think people who don't--& who assume bad faith about entire swaths of voters--is anti-democratic

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @OhioCitizen @IronCurtaiNYC

        That's true bc it is the fundamental premise of democracy that each voter is due respect.

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      8. End of conversation
      1. New conversation
      2. Jennifer Taub‏Verified account @jentaub 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        The First Amendment applies to government action. The professor is not the government. (Also he's not quashing anything).

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @jentaub

        Quashing was a bad word. But most people who teach the constitution honor basic democracy. Tribe here is shitting on it.

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @jentaub

        In any case I supposed Tribe's problem was with the 17th Amendment, the notion that actual voters be entrusted with their actual votes.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Dave‏ @davemcfox 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @jentaub

        I think Tribe sees the usual suspects on the far left piling on Harris as not acting in good faith. He was way too overbroad though.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @davemcfox @Dave_Fox @jentaub

        Right. The first mistake, IMO, is always assuming there ARE "usual suspects," not individualized actions over time.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Dave‏ @davemcfox 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @jentaub

        I see your point but when you see the same stuff from the same people constantly, it gets grating. Tribe grossly overgeneralized in response

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @davemcfox @Dave_Fox @jentaub

        By same people is Haim Saban included? Some of Hillary's top online voices?

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      9. Dave‏ @davemcfox 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel @jentaub

        Absolutely. Haim Saban's actions against Ellison were unacceptable (and that's no outlier for him)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Andrea Wolfson‏ @andrea_wolfson 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        There's a difference between legit questions (prob Sanders' stance) and the kind of purity tests his supporters on Twitter are calling for.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @andrea_wolfson

        There's also a difference between treating indiv voters' views as just that and silencing them, as you're doing right now.

        3 replies 1 retweet 1 like
      4. Andrea Wolfson‏ @andrea_wolfson 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Uh, how in the world is my tweet silencing someone??? We are officially down the rabbit hole. 😑

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @andrea_wolfson

        You're portraying a wide variety of views as a caricature (and insinuating my views are not honestly held).

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      6. Andrea Wolfson‏ @andrea_wolfson 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        That's such a gross exaggeration of what I said but ok.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Aug 2017
        Replying to @andrea_wolfson

        OK. "purity test" is accurate but "caricature" is not, in your opinion. Got. It.

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      8. End of conversation

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