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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @pramsey342

      Note your shift to the word "movement"?

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    2. Peter Ramsey‏ @pramsey342 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Movement, party, that's what I meant. Not that explicitl racism has never been a feature in American life or politics, that would be stupid

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @pramsey342

      Comparison of Euro parties w/US is odd comparison bc 2 party system. But treatment of movement requires admission of racist movement here

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    4. Peter Ramsey‏ @pramsey342 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Never said there ISN'T a 'racist movement' here. But when did we last have a candidate/party this openly racist/nativist?

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @pramsey342

      Pat Buchanan? Plenty in states, too.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @pramsey342

      But we've come full circle. Entire premise of this thread was to point out that BEFORE Putin got involved, the openly racist guy was winning

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    7. Peter Ramsey‏ @pramsey342 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      My only point was that racism figures into the appeal of Putin to people on the American right and this was happening before Trump.

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @pramsey342

      Evidence?

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    9. Peter Ramsey‏ @pramsey342 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2015/05/06/russia-today-rt-putin-holocaust-ultra-right/35844 …http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/american-right-loves-russia …

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    10. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @pramsey342

      The second one actually doesn't support its claim for Putin support here (which is key issue since there's far more $$ here, as w/Mercer).

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Aug 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @pramsey342

      In other words, those are both the kinds of shoddy work that are one of my complaints here.

      11:40 AM - 6 Aug 2017
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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Aug 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @pramsey342

          It may be Putin is secretly behind Mercer's fortune, tho I doubt it. Absent that, far more interested in Mercer's spending here than Putin's

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        2. Peter Ramsey‏ @pramsey342 6 Aug 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I posted them only to show that there's been plenty of Putin-worship from American white nationalists going back for years.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Aug 2017
          Replying to @pramsey342

          "for years" Actually only shows for a few years, same length of Trump's campaign. And the evidence is, as I said, shoddy.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Aug 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @pramsey342

          Moreover, Putin "worship" does not amount to influence.

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        5. Peter Ramsey‏ @pramsey342 6 Aug 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          That's fine. My point wasn't really about 'influence'. It was that there was/is an exploitable opening.

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