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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @pwnallthethings

      I'm hoping we're seeing the beginning of Trumpsters eating their own. Manafort would have had a copy, for example.

      11 replies 4 retweets 101 likes
    2. Josh Manning, I Voted  🗳‏ @joshuamanning23 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings

      I'm with Wheeler. This is an attempt to stave off the infection before it kills the body. Kushner likely behind it.

      5 replies 0 retweets 41 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @joshuamanning23 @pwnallthethings

      I don't think anyone with a hope of pardon would do it. Plus I think Kushner is less certain of pardon than Don Jr.

      7 replies 0 retweets 25 likes
    4. MrBOOF-fil 🎃 👹 🤡‏ @MrBlifil 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @joshuamanning23 @pwnallthethings

      I'm assuming he will pardon entire administration, and attendant staff, in one fell brazen swoop.

      7 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @MrBlifil @joshuamanning23 @pwnallthethings

      It won't be broad enough.

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    6. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @MrBlifil @joshuamanning23

      And he has to sign them one-by-one

      6 replies 1 retweet 28 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @pwnallthethings @MrBlifil @joshuamanning23

      LOL. That's right!

      2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    8. Eric Geller‏Verified account @ericgeller 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings and

      can't use the auto-pen?

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @ericgeller @pwnallthethings and

      The Terry McAuliffe precedent. He had to sign them one by one.

      3 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
    10. Paul Rosenzweig‏ @RosenzweigP 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @ericgeller and

      That was VA Sup Ct interpreting VA law. US precedent is otherwise.

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Jul 2017
      Replying to @RosenzweigP @ericgeller and

      Shoot. You mean Trump can just start tweeting out people he wants to pardon? We're doomed.

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        2. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @RosenzweigP and

          I can think of all sorts of reasons why he *shouldn't*, but I can't think of many good reasons why he *couldn't*.

          3 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
        3. Paul Rosenzweig‏ @RosenzweigP 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @pwnallthethings @emptywheel and

          Of course it has never been tested. There is always a first time ... sigh /3 =30=

          1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
        4. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @RosenzweigP @emptywheel and

          P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡ Retweeted P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡

          So there's the August 5 1974 OLC opinion in which OLC said "nope"https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/884874515133673472 …

          P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡ added,

          P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡ @pwnallthethings
          Going thru OLC ops of pardon power, came across this one from 1974: Can the President pardon himself (OLC's A: No) https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/1974/08/31/op-olc-supp-v001-p0370_0.pdf …
          2 replies 5 retweets 16 likes
        5. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @pwnallthethings @RosenzweigP and

          And another which concludes you can't pardon posthumously. But my Q is whether he can pardon by tweet. And I don't see why not.

          8 replies 3 retweets 25 likes
        6. Paul Rosenzweig‏ @RosenzweigP 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @pwnallthethings @emptywheel and

          Ahhh ... as to that, I assume the form is not legally required.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @RosenzweigP @pwnallthethings and

          Most interesting thing IMO abt pardons is not whether or how they'll happen but if Trump can get good enough legal advice to do them right

          2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @RosenzweigP and

          Kushner's the only one with excellent counsel so far. And Trump of course won't listen to counsel.

          2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
        9. Josh Manning, I Voted  🗳‏ @joshuamanning23 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @RosenzweigP and

          You would have to imagine Miller and Bannon tell him to just do it and let time sort it out. That he has power to do whatever he wishes.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
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        2. Josh Manning, I Voted  🗳‏ @joshuamanning23 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @RosenzweigP and

          OMG tweet pardons. Can you imagine!

          2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @joshuamanning23 @RosenzweigP and

          When I met Pete Hoekstra he was genuinely wondering if he was going to find out what he gets appointed to by tweet. Sad!

          0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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        2. Erik Elmgren‏ @erikelmgren 12 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @RosenzweigP and

          Onus would then be on pardoned pers to prove it was POTUS himself tweeting. Signed paper recommended.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Paul Rosenzweig‏ @RosenzweigP 12 Jul 2017
          Replying to @erikelmgren @emptywheel and

          Exactly. Form likely not const'l required -- but tweets create proof problem for beneficiary.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        4. Erik Elmgren‏ @erikelmgren 12 Jul 2017
          Replying to @RosenzweigP @emptywheel and

          For same reasons I recommend to make written & signed pardons public before DT leaves office. Back-dating docs. common in business.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        2. Paul Rosenzweig‏ @RosenzweigP 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @ericgeller and

          Well, I think he has to sign an actual pardon paper. But yes, at least by precedent, he can do them in large batches. Lincoln did it /1

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. bmaz‏ @bmaz 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @RosenzweigP @emptywheel and

          And I see no reason he couldn't auto pen them

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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        1. Elizabeth Joh‏ @elizabeth_joh 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Episode 3 of @TrumpConLaw

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        1. John Kirrane‏ @johnkirrane 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @RosenzweigP and

          @elizabeth_joh has written on this and done some podcasts about this possibility.

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        1. Paul Rosenzweig‏ @RosenzweigP 11 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @ericgeller and

          Civil War evaders; Carter for Vietnam. IIRC Roosevelt did as well in WWII for deserters. /2

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