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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee 6 Jul 2017

      Hearing a lot of "what about Stuxnet" arguments for why nuclear safety systems aren't safe. Here's my thoughts on why that's not accurate:

      2 replies 18 retweets 36 likes
    2. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @RobertMLee

      Stuxnet's "cool factor" wasn't in the 4 zero day exploits it was in the knowledge of how to impact the centrifuges to destroy them

      19 replies 66 retweets 178 likes
    3. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee 6 Jul 2017
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      That knowledge isn't something you can buy. Only a handful of people in the world could have even dreamed of pulling that off.

      4 replies 8 retweets 33 likes
    4. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @RobertMLee

      Additionally, lots of intelligence gathering occurred in and off the networks before. Estimates are 3-6 years worth of operations.

      3 replies 6 retweets 23 likes
    5. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @RobertMLee

      Additionally from what we know publicly it took two first world powers using HUMINT, SIGINT, and cyber to orchestrate the attack.

      1 reply 10 retweets 30 likes
    6. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee 6 Jul 2017
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      So while the threat to nuclear from cyber is a real concern because of impact it's very improbable and "what about Stuxnet" is a high bar

      3 replies 7 retweets 26 likes
    7. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @RobertMLee

      Or said more simply: phishing emails are lightyears removed from "what about Stuxnet" arguments. It's simply otherworldly in comparison.

      2 replies 23 retweets 56 likes
    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @RobertMLee

      Not sure if your point is clear (or maybe I'm misunderstanding). You're still saying, "sabotage takes a ton of intel," no?

      3 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    9. Après Gritty, le déluge‏ @wandrngscholar 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @RobertMLee

      Yeah if I'm reading correctly: Phishing=leaving yr car unlocked w/ the keys in Stuxnet=US & Israel _might_ hack my car, drive it into a wall

      1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @wandrngscholar @RobertMLee

      Russia might too! It is a danger. But...if we're going to villainize that, we need to be aware we're by far on the wrong side of that norm

      6:33 PM - 6 Jul 2017
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      • Sean Schwartz I_Cant_Read Complaints Department Après Gritty, le déluge
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