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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I said we had speculation,you said we had USG belief.Then we moved to govt dissent,when IMO point is basis for belief beyond speculation.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe

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      Still logical gibberish. You were wrong. Please stop. https://twitter.com/zezezebe/status/882926563238465537 …

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    3. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Which part of that statement is wrong? Are you objecting to the word "speculation" to describe USG statement met with some skepticism?

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe

      Yes. You're projecting your own speculation onto people who aren't actually speculating.

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    5. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      "Speculate - form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence". Until the firm evidence is public, I'll keep the wording.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe

      Right. You don't have evidence. Ergo you're speculating. I have more than you. I'm not. Govt has far more. They're not.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @zezezebe

      To sum up: "A lot of people with actual evidence are speculating but I have none and therefore I'm not speculating."

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    8. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Not true.I can't say whether they have actual evidence/how good it is,I'm not claiming to not be speculating.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe

      "I assume the people with sensors in Putin's underwear drawer are speculating which makes my speculation just like theirs."

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    10. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      This argument sums up to "government knows better" - combined with what we know about past intel blunders, doesn't look good.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe

      No. It doesn't and that's a fucking inane thing to say. It says, "people who have far more evidence than I do know only as much as I do."

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        2. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I don't know what they know/have or where Putin keeps their sensors. I know they've been wrong, no reason to believe/assume they're right.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @zezezebe

          No reason to assume. Correct. What you are doing instead is assuming--speculating--that they are wrong, ignoring a lot of evidence to do so.

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        4. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Skepticism is about doubting any claim, so yes, I assume they're wrong. They have shown they have no incentives to be right.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @zezezebe

          That's not skepticism. That's nihilism.

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        6. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          This is a good piece summarizing problems that Russians critical of the Kremlin have with the Russiagate story.http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-russian-journalists-think-of-how-american-reporters-cover-putin-and-trump …

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @zezezebe

          1) They say many of the things I say. 2) They also say Americans know more (I'm sure I do). Your point is?

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        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zezezebe

          That reporting on RU in the US looks like a conspiracy theory (it does!) does not mean people like you should engage in conspiracy theories.

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        9. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Saying Russiagate govt reports and press coverage aren't good enough is not engaging in conspiracy theories.

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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zezezebe

          One can be a skeptic. but if one at the same time assumes one knows BETTER than people who have intelligence one is reveling in ignorance.

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        3. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I assume they have data.I can't assume they make correct conclusions from noise. Comey called Gazprom an oil firm - secret envelope stuff.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @zezezebe

          LOLOL with this secret envelope stuff. You appear not to even know what the claims around it are.

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        5. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Just reading WaPo abt envelopes based on sources not reliable/evidence not definitive enough.Don't know where Comey "learned" abt Gazprom.

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