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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe @emptywheel @ianbremmer

      "Political pressure" is one potential bridge between unreliable sources/evidence not definitive enough and strongly worded statements.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe

      Please STOP pretending I haven't said YOUR skepticism understandable WHILE pretending public record says something different than it does

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    3. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      OK seems we're arguing about fine details. Obama admin and its IC did state they were certain, we also know they had issues getting there.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe

      A process anyway, which is different from "issues." Which is to say you admit that uncertainty is on your part, not USG.

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    5. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I admit USG published statements saying they were certain. Relevant officials' interviews/testimonies are a bit all over the place.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe

      Again, a citation would be nice bc the relevant officials are all on the record not being all over the place. You're simply making this up.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @zezezebe

      The ONLY thing that the relevant officials have expressed any difference of opinion over is whether Putin was personally running the show.

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    8. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      That's a critical piece though. Other uncertainty e.g. Clapper mentioned is around collusion though guess we can say it's a different topic.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe

      Ooops. I saw you move that ball! No. You're simply wrong. There is ZERO uncertainty that Russia did it among relevant officials. None.

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    10. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      You saw me say it may move the ball-no need to exclaim.Collusion/interference r separated/combined at will.Yes,blaming Russia is agreed on.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
      Replying to @zezezebe

      Then this entire thread is for nought bc that's all it was premised on, which you originally got all bothered about, but ultimately conceded

      5:58 AM - 6 Jul 2017
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        2. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I think here's where disconnect happened:what I called speculation you called uniform USG belief.Not mutually exclusive,belief may be wrong.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @zezezebe

          Those two tweets were utter and complete logic gibberish. Try again.

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        4. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I said we had speculation,you said we had USG belief.Then we moved to govt dissent,when IMO point is basis for belief beyond speculation.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @zezezebe

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          Still logical gibberish. You were wrong. Please stop. https://twitter.com/zezezebe/status/882926563238465537 …

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        6. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Which part of that statement is wrong? Are you objecting to the word "speculation" to describe USG statement met with some skepticism?

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @zezezebe

          Yes. You're projecting your own speculation onto people who aren't actually speculating.

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        8. Jeff Vader‏ @zezezebe 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          "Speculate - form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence". Until the firm evidence is public, I'll keep the wording.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jul 2017
          Replying to @zezezebe

          Right. You don't have evidence. Ergo you're speculating. I have more than you. I'm not. Govt has far more. They're not.

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